Neubrutalism is taking over the web? • Hacker News Board

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by rawoke083600 » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:24 AM UTC

mark_and_sweep wrote: post #18

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change.

Imagine if *nix-utils (ls, grep etc) used this method, every few years the switches/options changed !

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by lucumo » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:30 AM UTC

mark_and_sweep wrote: post #18

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

If a site or app has a dated design, I usually discount it. I assume that it is going to be outdated in functionality as well. And that it will have a myriad of unsolved bugs, none of which is ever going to be fixed. New bugs have one advantage over old bugs: they have a better chance of somebody caring enough to fix it.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by regentbowerbird » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:30 AM UTC

_dain_ wrote: post #68

yawnxyz wrote: post #48

> Brutalism is a 1950’s architectural trend that was abandoning all decorations, and creating brutally simple buildings made from concrete. They often weren’t even painted to emphasize their brutal nature. So big, brutal blocks of concrete. The word "brut" came from French "Béton brut" which means "raw concrete" — has nothing with how "brutal" we perceive it to be. There's lots of architecture articles covering this…

I'm sick of hearing this, it was obviously a double meaning from the start. They revelled in how brutal it was.

I'm no expert in architecture history, but I don't think it is so obvious. Le Corbusier's projects such as the Cité Radieuse or the Plan Voisin, which largely defined modernism, seem to me to be quite clearly the starting point of early brutalism, which didn't look all that brutal. Le Corbusier is also the source of the "béton brut" phrase, apparently.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by lucumo » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:40 AM UTC

krageon wrote: post #40

darkwater wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like fashion... I wonder why we don't all wear the same style as 100 years ago, no? /s

You're apparently sarcastic, but fashion really does look like nonsense to me. I'm not sure what point you're making.

This reminded me of that famous scene from The Devil Wears Prada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2fgquYTCg

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by hoseja » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:42 AM UTC

rawoke083600 wrote: post #71

mark_and_sweep wrote: post #18

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Imagine if *nix-utils (ls, grep etc) used this method, every few years the switches/options changed !

Keeps you fresh, on your toes! Relaxing means you're not maximally productive!

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by meerita » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:43 AM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #10

meerita wrote: post #3

Please, no. I mean, I'm ok some websites go this way, but overal, I preffer the cleanness of the flat style for most of the services.

Can't there be a middle ground? I have a real hard time with the flat low-contrast design that's everywhere. The low contrast material design makes it incredibly difficult to navigate, you constantly have to guess what is a button and what is not. I think something like Windows 95 is peak interface design. Sounds facetious but think about it: Controls are clearly distinguished from content with not only colors but be…

Sure, anything can be possible. But the reality is when some trend is promoted, lots of services change their functional design system for a new one that really don't fit at all.

For example Typeform, ruined completely because of this. Dropbox, completely ruined to please their 50 design team. iOS 7, completely ruined with a silly flat style who was perfectly addressed in Android with Material Design. Same with Windows, they wanted to go translucent because Mac OS X did it properly. They made the worst one.

Every single trend like this must be serioulsy explored, and implemented once that exploration is well poured. But on final products, just to satisfy that feeling of freshness or innovation, nah, better not do that.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by dreen » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:45 AM UTC

Do not forget the Toilet Principle, which applies to majority of software UI: Your user wants to be done with your thing ASAP, get what their came for and leave. Any visual style is a bonus, if it doesnt get in the way. I guess it applies to majority of buildings and other things too.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by meerita » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:45 AM UTC

mark_and_sweep wrote: post #18

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

I'm still using Lynx, and several services with 0 design changes. Heck, I'm using HN.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by krageon » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:48 AM UTC

lucumo wrote: post #74

krageon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're apparently sarcastic, but fashion really does look like nonsense to me. I'm not sure what point you're making.

This reminded me of that famous scene from The Devil Wears Prada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2fgquYTCg

I can understand that it is basically impossible to live separate from that sort of industry but that doesn't make it not nonsense. It's a very good scene (and a nice movie), but it doesn't change the fact that "fashion" is a moving target that exists for it's own sake. It's a signaling pathway that sprouted an enormous industry on it's back.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by viraptor » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:49 AM UTC

hnbad wrote: post #7

Is it tho? The article cites only two examples: Figma and Gumroad. While Figma obviously has the potential to influence lots of designs by being a design tool, it also seems to match the style much less directly than Gumroad. And while Gumroad is apparently a great example, two off-mainstream sites are hardly enough to base such an extremely broad claim on. Plus this style is not really new. It seems more like a reha…

Yeah, it looks to me like another source that tries to make some style a thing. Like the neumorphism which seemed to be most popular on sites with mock-up designs rather than in actual implementations. I've yet to see either that or neobrutalism in the wild.