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Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by chaps »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #69
chaps wrote: post #63

His experience is similar to one I had a long while back when trying to report to Comcast that I found one of their sysadmin's home directory on GitHub. It had ssh keys, passwords, configs, scripts, etc etc. When I reported it on their support forum, some random dude responded basically saying I found nothing, insulting me, etc. It's wild to me how quickly people will go to insult in these situations. I ended up maki…

> if they did a bug bounty program, they'd go bankrupt. I appreciate the honesty! I do think that any company that offers a bug bounty program already has their security in order, to the point where they can no longer find any obvious issues themselves anymore. Not having a bug bounty program implies they don't really trust themselves yet, or haven't reached that level of maturity yet. That probably covers most compa…

Personally, I didn't find the conversation "honest", even loosely.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by legalcorrection »

oceanplexian wrote: post #56
BlueTemplar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, copper at least has the very nice property of only requiring electricity at the central phone node, and still have working communications. This makes it the best option by far for communication in hour-long blackouts when, for instance, cell phones and cellphone towers would have ran down their batteries.

Actually the big ILECs like Verizon started deprecating copper loops, at least when I was in that industry 10 years ago. They would install a box in a neighborhood with fiber backhaul to the Central Office and a mini DSLAM, and then deliver shitty DSL from said box. The great thing about this was they could circumvent telecommunications law that requires them to rent out circuits at a competitive rate to small carrie…

>And you, the customer, are now stuck with 6Mbps DSL from a single provider for $80 a month.

Almost everywhere in the US you can get at least 25mbps for less than $80 a month. And within almost all cities and their suburbs, you can easily get 100mbps+ for less than that.

Unbundled network elements was a stupid utopian idea to begin with. No one who knows a lick about broadband policy actually wants to go back to anything like that. The current model is essentially that you're responsible for building your own infrastructure if you want to be an ISP. That has actually spurred an incredible amount of investment in infrastructure across the country, since you know that if you spend a ton of money laying a thousand miles of fiber, you'll be able to reap the rewards of it, not have to rent it out at cost to your competitors.

American internet service is the best or one of the best in the world for a large, populous country. Certainly, the major European powers don't come close (remember when Europe had to beg Netflix and others to reduce video quality to 720p early in the pandemic? US internet service held up perfectly without any throttling.). Only Japan and large parts of China are comparable (again, not counting small or lightly populated countries).

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by darkwater »

legalcorrection wrote: post #72
oceanplexian wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the big ILECs like Verizon started deprecating copper loops, at least when I was in that industry 10 years ago. They would install a box in a neighborhood with fiber backhaul to the Central Office and a mini DSLAM, and then deliver shitty DSL from said box. The great thing about this was they could circumvent telecommunications law that requires them to rent out circuits at a competitive rate to small carrie…

> And you, the customer, are now stuck with 6Mbps DSL from a single provider for $80 a month. Almost everywhere in the US you can get at least 25mbps for less than $80 a month. And within almost all cities and their suburbs, you can easily get 100mbps+ for less than that. Unbundled network elements was a stupid utopian idea to begin with. No one who knows a lick about broadband policy actually wants to go back to any…

Maybe there are some details I'm missing but I live in a small town in Southern Europe (population 2500) and I have symmetrical 600Mbps FFTH for 50€/month with one cell line included. And they are almost real, I peak at ~550Mbps

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by legalcorrection »

darkwater wrote: post #73
legalcorrection wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And you, the customer, are now stuck with 6Mbps DSL from a single provider for $80 a month. Almost everywhere in the US you can get at least 25mbps for less than $80 a month. And within almost all cities and their suburbs, you can easily get 100mbps+ for less than that. Unbundled network elements was a stupid utopian idea to begin with. No one who knows a lick about broadband policy actually wants to go back to any…

Maybe there are some details I'm missing but I live in a small town in Southern Europe (population 2500) and I have symmetrical 600Mbps FFTH for 50€/month with one cell line included. And they are almost real, I peak at ~550Mbps

https://www.nme.com/news/tv/eu-netflix-other-platforms-slow-...

There's a lot more to robust internet service than what you get on speedtest.net or in optimal conditions. Further, the internet speed statistics show that European internet service is on average slower than American service. It's great that you good service, but the point I'm making is that American service is on average faster and more robust, and we got there by abandoning the unbundled network elements nonsense.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by charcircuit »

legalcorrection wrote: post #72
oceanplexian wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the big ILECs like Verizon started deprecating copper loops, at least when I was in that industry 10 years ago. They would install a box in a neighborhood with fiber backhaul to the Central Office and a mini DSLAM, and then deliver shitty DSL from said box. The great thing about this was they could circumvent telecommunications law that requires them to rent out circuits at a competitive rate to small carrie…

> And you, the customer, are now stuck with 6Mbps DSL from a single provider for $80 a month. Almost everywhere in the US you can get at least 25mbps for less than $80 a month. And within almost all cities and their suburbs, you can easily get 100mbps+ for less than that. Unbundled network elements was a stupid utopian idea to begin with. No one who knows a lick about broadband policy actually wants to go back to any…

My house can only get a max of 6Mbps from DSL, but I do have 12 since I am able to use 2 DSL at one.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by aliswe »

wnoise wrote: post #43
Frummy wrote: post #32

I don't know about the work he's been doing or what fight he's been part of. But the text itself seems bitter and psychotic, it's good that he leaves the battle behind and takes a break. I know that too much truth can be tough to handle, but don't singlehandedly try and fix the bad corners of the world. I'm just typing my honest opinion at risk of sounding insensitive, but it truly is great to just let go and move on…

I'll echo the dead commenter. The text is quite bitter, but nothing about seems "psychotic".

You sure that taking a year off to troubleshoot a performance issue with a modem, for free, is wrong to call a bit psychotic?

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by tovej »

legalcorrection wrote: post #74
darkwater wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there are some details I'm missing but I live in a small town in Southern Europe (population 2500) and I have symmetrical 600Mbps FFTH for 50€/month with one cell line included. And they are almost real, I peak at ~550Mbps

https://www.nme.com/news/tv/eu-netflix-other-platforms-slow-... There's a lot more to robust internet service than what you get on speedtest.net or in optimal conditions. Further, the internet speed statistics show that European internet service is on average slower than American service. It's great that you good service, but the point I'm making is that American service is on average faster and more robust, and we g…

I'm suspicious of this statement, what you count as Europe, and also of how you've focused on the mean (average), which is heavily affected by large outliers. The median feels more useful in cases like these. Also you haven't even cited your data source.

But even if speeds were equivalent or better in the US, prices in the US are still multiples of European prices for the same service.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

girvo wrote: post #62
bayindirh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTTx systems make copper almost non-existent. All copper in my city is replaced by fiber, and only copper is from the FTTx box in front of my apartment to my flat. Eeerything (landline, internet, IPTV, etc.) runs from a single, dark fiber. With cabling already in place and VDSL can reliably provide 5 units of bandwidth (where 4 units is used for download and 1 unit is used for upload, e.g. 32/8 mbps), with a theoreti…

Yeah at my previous home, we had VDSL, Fibre to the Building, on a non-NBN fibre network. Was amazing, excellent performance, actually good upload bandwidth, and cheap. I can't wait until my HFC NBN service here goes the way of the dodo. While I have 1000mbps down, the 50mbps upload is just miserable. And the cost is painful, $130 AUD a month.

Oh, that's expensive. I pay 40 EUR/month (~60 AUD) and I find it really high (planning to look for something cheaper). It is 1000/400 FFTH (the fiber terminates at my box).

For the price I pay I should be able to have a shared 10000/1000 (in reality it will probably be 2500/1000).

All of this for the swag, I am ,ot likely to use the bandwidth anytime soon (despite serving a few things from home)

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by Sharlin »

aliswe wrote: post #76
wnoise wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll echo the dead commenter. The text is quite bitter, but nothing about seems "psychotic".

You sure that taking a year off to troubleshoot a performance issue with a modem, for free, is wrong to call a bit psychotic?

To label a person or behavior psychotic requires a psychiatrist’s evaluation. It’s not good in general to dilute the meanings of established medical terms of art by throwing them around carelessly.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by jallen_dot_dev »

progre wrote: post #31
twblalock wrote: post #24

Looking through the site and the history around it, the level of obsession, the conspiratorial thinking, the grandiose claims of "defeating" Intel -- this guy probably needs help with some mental health issues.

Center text. The mark of a man that has been pushed over the edge.

The center text certainly gives Time Cube vibes.
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