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Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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mrkstu wrote: post #70
tootie wrote: post #63

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That's not what it means. It means that rational observation free of bias aligns more closely with liberal politics. Per the examples given: Scientific observation says climate change is real, man-made and an urgent threat. Liberals agree, conservatives don't. Maybe not to a person and maybe not with 100% fidelity to the science but the trend is unmistakable. Same for many other conservative fallacies like "tax cuts…

No, both sides have different realities they don't like- Reality Progressives don't like: - Gender correlates with biology - Giving chronically homeless people housing won't fix their homelessness - Not charging serious crime won't lead to safer neighborhoods - You can't fix societal disparities by changing who is at the top and bottom of a pyramid of privilege - Demonizing the wealthy won't lead to any productive ou…

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Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by tootie »

mrkstu wrote: post #70
tootie wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what it means. It means that rational observation free of bias aligns more closely with liberal politics. Per the examples given: Scientific observation says climate change is real, man-made and an urgent threat. Liberals agree, conservatives don't. Maybe not to a person and maybe not with 100% fidelity to the science but the trend is unmistakable. Same for many other conservative fallacies like "tax cuts…

No, both sides have different realities they don't like- Reality Progressives don't like: - Gender correlates with biology - Giving chronically homeless people housing won't fix their homelessness - Not charging serious crime won't lead to safer neighborhoods - You can't fix societal disparities by changing who is at the top and bottom of a pyramid of privilege - Demonizing the wealthy won't lead to any productive ou…

Nothing you listed under progressive misapprehensions are liberal dogma, nor are they categorically disproven. No sane person would argue that biology has no bearing on gender identity. The liberal idea is that people should be able to live their lives as they choose. Obviously someone with XY chromosomes can never get pregnant even if they outwardly change their gender. Giving the chronically homeless housing has had some positive results and nothing else has, so it's something some democrats have been willing to try. It's experimental, but definitely hasn't failed and we would absolutely abandon it if it ever does. Absolutely no one advocates not charging serious crimes, that's propaganda. UBI is also nowhere near liberal dogma, but has some credible theory behind it worth exploring. We already do EITC and it's wildly successful. The democratic candidates for president in 2020 who supported UBI got zero delegates. Government has enough money to solve everything it should solve? That's just unquantifiable gibberish.

Regardless, my point is still that the preponderance of evidence aligns with a preponderance of liberal policy. Climate denial, covid denial and election fraud conspiracies on their own are enough to condemn modern American conservatism to the garbage heap of corrupt populism even if liberals were buying every drug-addled hobo a luxury condo. I'd still rather live in that world.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

padobson wrote: post #68
cableshaft wrote: post #19

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Breaking Points is a good option: https://www.youtube.com/c/breakingpoints They do have their own biases, but the dynamic is more conservative that hates the direction the GOP is going in (Saagar) and liberal progressive who is not a fan of the Democratic establishment (Krystal). As such neither one hesitates to call out what they disagree with for both Republicans and Democrats. They have an optional subscription se…

more conservative that hates the direction the GOP is going I've heard other people say this, but I've never heard Saagar say anything I thought was conservative. He's not paleocon or libertarian because he's comfortable with big domestic government programs. He's not neocon because he spends a lot of time attacking big banks and big tech and he has been very critical of foreign military interventions. I've never hea…

> what am I missing?

It's very hard to define people who don't fit inside the normal blue-vs-red spectrum.

It's really hard to define people who don't fit into an easy quadrant on the political compass test.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by weq »

UberFly wrote: post #58
godelski wrote: post #22

I don't get it, CNN+ looks exactly the opposite of what we need as a country. I looked at their show offerings[0] and 75% of them looked like true crime dramas. If I wanted a news source that would make me live in perpetual fear I'd go to Fox. Thinking there's a gunman around every corner is what we used to make fun of Fox viewers for (and their need to carry a weapon to respond to said gunman). Maybe it's just me, b…

"If I wanted a news source that would make me live in perpetual fear I'd go to Fox." You could literally pick any of them to get your daily allowance of fear. They all lead and follow with some form of bloody hook to get the echo chamber reverberating.

I stopped watching the news PRE-covid! Actually, TV, i turned it all off... because? the power the media has in influencing dumb people. I got sick of it after the last eelection. Turning off is the only way.

Never felt happier. I recommend it to everyone. I crowd source my news from friends.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by geoduck14 »

TheCondor wrote: post #44
lampshades wrote: post #26

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> with maybe a slight left leaning bias As someone with a conservative leaning bias, I would consider PBS to have a very strong left (whatever that means) leaning bias. I guess it depends on your start point.

Is there anything concrete you can say about that bias and PBS News Hour? Or is it more just general "they're publicly funded and the left supports that" sort of bias? Are they disproportionately covering or ignoring issues due to that bias?

I have one example. They were doing an article about why it is bad to legalize pig hunting. They quoted an "expert" who said "I've seen deer hunters, and they LOVE hunting deer... so I would expect anyone with a gun to release pigs in other people's land so they can hunt them"

I happen to know several hunters, and that kind of accusation was pretty offensive and far from what actually happens in real life.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by room505 »

xkbarkar wrote: post #6
mountainriver wrote: post #3

I used to really like CNN back in like 2010. Over the years its just become worse and worse to the point I don't read it anymore. It's basically turned into gossip news and is constantly skewing reality in favor of profits. I'm over it, and I think most other people are as well.

Anecdotally yeah. Agree. To me cnn is the exact same garbage as fox. Just leftist instead of rightist. I never click on any links to either media. Actually I used to line the guardian but in the past two years the quality of their reporting also just went alarmist and hyperbolic. In some cases blatantly inaccurate. Looking for a good news source currenty that arent afraid of critizicing any political party and their…

I like reading The Bulwark, The Dispatch and Lawfare Blog. All seem centrist and have indepth information.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by Tostino »

geoduck14 wrote: post #76
TheCondor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there anything concrete you can say about that bias and PBS News Hour? Or is it more just general "they're publicly funded and the left supports that" sort of bias? Are they disproportionately covering or ignoring issues due to that bias?

I have one example. They were doing an article about why it is bad to legalize pig hunting. They quoted an "expert" who said "I've seen deer hunters, and they LOVE hunting deer... so I would expect anyone with a gun to release pigs in other people's land so they can hunt them" I happen to know several hunters, and that kind of accusation was pretty offensive and far from what actually happens in real life.

This is the type of thing to overlook as being bias when you don't grow up in that culture that would be offended at the accusation. I watch the PBSNewsHour, but I absolutely recognize they have a bias on certain topics, and know I am unable to see the bias because I am too steeped in it on other topics. That is true no matter how "fact based" any reporting is. It isn't terribly hard to stick to "just the facts" and still leave readers/watchers with a very warped picture by putting greater emphasis on some facts while downplaying or outright ignoring others.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

uoaei wrote: post #33
lampshades wrote: post #26

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> with maybe a slight left leaning bias As someone with a conservative leaning bias, I would consider PBS to have a very strong left (whatever that means) leaning bias. I guess it depends on your start point.

As someone who puts priority on distinguishing rhetorics vs facts, PBS is the furthest of the mainstream news outlets toward the "facts" end of the spectrum by a very large margin.

What about the BBC?

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by tootie »

lampshades wrote: post #20
g42gregory wrote: post #12

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Jonathan Turley, Glenn Greenwald.

> Glenn Greenwald Who is actually on Fox quite a bit these days, funnily enough. 15-25 year old me would have laughed in disbelief, but if I decide to turn on cable news these days, I turn on Fox. Edit: Also, Whitney Webb at Mint Press News is very good, just to throw her in the ring.

Greenwald is going on Tucker Carlson and reciting Kremlin propaganda without any evidence. Russian state media has been gleefully quoting the two of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/18/ukrainian-biow...

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