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I used to tell everyone to use duckduckgo. But then they decided to determine for me what constitutes misinformation. I no longer trust duckduckgo.
DDG has been recently under attack due to tampering of search results [1]. Hope they don’t involve politics in their browser! [1] https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-p...
Removing misinformation from Russia is a strange one to attack them for... considering the Russian invasion is about as non partisan of an issue (in the US at least) as I have seen in a long time. Regardless, search engines have to rank content somehow. We need to stop throwing around "politics" when something doesn't fit your particular narrative.
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Where do the claims about battery life come from ? I couldn't find any independent review (yet) and I don't see any mention of it on their website.
Not the OP making the claim, but I also looked for recent data and couldn't find any (especially for M1 macs because I just switched to one). So I just compared them myself for my typical work and media playback (Youtube & Twitch), just anecdotal and totally unscientific though, ranked by MacOs's Energy Impact with the best being 100%. All with the same extensions (if available, for Safari I used adguard instead of u…
I love that users who value privacy have even more choices and flexibility.
DDG has been recently under attack due to tampering of search results [1]. Hope they don’t involve politics in their browser! [1] https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-p...
I certainly like that DDG is pushing for privacy oriented systems and services, but when I read things like the above, and the accompanied page, I become quite sceptical of them. They don't mention Firefox with uBlock Origin, nor do they mention Firefox's Enhanced Tracker Protection (IIRC you get asked if you want to enable on first start up).
Is anyone still using DDG after they stated that they will be editing results re the Ukraine war? This was a clear statement that they not letting the algorithm do the talking - they are taking a parental role and deciding what we can and cannot see. I've switched to presearch - https://engine.presearch.org/ - which I have to say I'm enjoying.
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It's in version 7.66.2.1 (or later). We've pushed it live so it should get to you soon (if not already) if you go into the App Store.
Weirdly I had to update twice to see this option.
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Search algorithms are preferential and biased by design. They are always tuned for a certain result, and usually that's with a bias towards accurate information. Obviously they've failed at this in the past, present, and future, but it should hardly be surprising that literal propaganda produced by a highly militarized government run by a tyrant is being down ranked.
Undoubtedly there is bias in the design of any software. But, you'd hope that software designers would try to keep their own biases out of it! This is not what DDG are doing though. They are explicitly inserting their bias - no doubt this is in good cause - but I don't want any overt bias at all! I want to see the data as is. As a grown-up, I'll mediate my own searches - thanks! I don't need a parental filter! That t…
Well... yeah. How did you think instant answers worked in DuckDuckGo? They were coming from a list of curated sites.
A search engine is not accidentally biased, it is biased by design. The entire point is that DDG has a bias towards a set of criteria it uses to decide what does and doesn't count as a relevant search result. The whole point of a search engine is to be biased.
This is like arguing that Linux upstream repositories are biased because they curate which software goes into the Arch package list and decide for users what is and isn't malware. Yeah, of course they do that, that is literally their job -- literally the entire reason why those repositories exist is to filter out bad software. The point of curation/filtering/searching is to have someone else eliminate a bunch of irrelevant information and to rank information based on a set of rules about what is and isn't relevant/useful.
Likewise, the job of DDG is to filter results based on their opinions about what results are good and bad. You can disagree with their criteria or argue that they're filtering too aggressively, but the idea that they're not operating in good faith -- it's absurd, this is why they exist. We want a search engine that brings up accurate/useful information when we search for a topic.
It is astonishing to me that so many people on HN don't understand this, that they apparently never sat down and actually thought about what the phrase "search engine rankings" actually imply about what the search engine is doing behind the scenes.
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> That they were even able to implement some sort explicit bias functionality so quickly is also a concern to me.
Kind of a sidenote, but this is also a good example of how bad people's instincts are about how algorithms work. People assume that an algorithm is neutral and that manually intervening is bias -- but algorithms are just the result of individual decisions about what criteria to prioritize and how to weight that criteria. A result isn't more or less biased just because it was directly created rather than indirectly created.
It's troubling that so many people on HN of all places were apparently convinced that DDG was completely neutral on political content just because they assumed that there wasn't any kind of manual curation or adjustment going on -- and the manual part is what made them feel good about it. They assumed DDG was unbiased just because the biases were automated and a computer did them.
If DDG was able to tweak their algorithms to get rid of misinformation, that apparently wouldn't have counted as curation? That this attitude is so prevalent even on a technical site makes me feel pessimistic about the future of AI/algorithms in our everyday life, because it shows that people have a fundamental misunderstanding about what algorithms are.