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Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by simulate-me »

vasco wrote: post #7
itissid wrote: post #6

That is the problem with generalization and cop outs like these. It's no good to people in the field doing actual work where the devil is in the detail. Big data is fairly important to a lot of things, for example I was listening to Tesla's use of Deep net models where they mentioned that there were literally so many variations of Stop Signs that they needed to learn what was really in the "tail" of the distribution…

Interestingly, when you learn how to drive you need to see approximately one example and you're able to identify them all.

Your brain is also the result of billions of years of evolutionary "training." Neural nets start from scratch.

Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by philtar »

mdp2021 wrote: post #62
cloogshicer wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Ng is also one of those people who believe that we should all work 70+ hours per week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15251769

~80hrs on topic A squeezes the available time for being acquainted with the rest. [Edited because there was little way not to make the former formulation read, unwillingly, nasty] Some of us believe instead on the advantage of being a polymath, (also) to be able to export wisdom from other contexts into the current work. Also in terms of the proper ground to facilitate innovation.

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Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by a_square_peg »

mjburgess wrote: post #57
Longwelwind wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you consider that knowledge is a function of previous data? In your example, the 2 individuals actually didn't receive the same amount of data because the English speakers received data previously that allowed him to build some kind of "knowledge" that allows him to solve specific related tasks (understanding a spoken sentence). This would be the equivalent of transfer learning where "knowledge" is a model trai…

Nope, it's never a function of data -- because data is always ambiguous. It is never possible just to infer the conceptual model of the data from the data alone. Animals solve this problem by having bodies and moving around. It is that we take the bent stick out of the water which allows us to impart a theory to the "data" we receive... a theory implicit in our actions. Since we are causally active in the world, sequ…

Yep. Perhaps what I should have written is that much our knowledge is tacit in nature. We implicitly understand that things we can sense are limited projections of the real world and are able to derive mental model of what that reality might be more or less. Chomsky also talks about this notion of separating mind and body as an incorrect approach to understanding human intelligence which I think aligns with your view.

The notion that 'all we need is data and data is all there is' seems to summarize a lot of ML sentiments.

Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by kappi »

For industrial application, there are already mature systems based on CV. For majority of those applications, there is no need for deep learning or multilayer CNN. Shocked to see Andrew Ng talking like a marketing guy.

Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by mirntyfirty »

weego wrote: post #41
notsag-hn wrote: post #32

I was going to interview at LandingAI. I was asked before the interview to install a spyware browser extension to monitor my traffic to detect if I was cheating during the interview. I respectfully declined and didn't have that interview.

It's literally our job to not just assume the possible solution that rolls off the top of our heads might not be the most up to date / best practice and to research it

Agreed. A decent interviewer can also determine a person’s understanding of a topic by simply talking to them about it. IE why did you build a model like this? What diagnostics did you use? Have you tried ____ before in your career?

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Post by tromp »

notsag-hn wrote: post #32

I was going to interview at LandingAI. I was asked before the interview to install a spyware browser extension to monitor my traffic to detect if I was cheating during the interview. I respectfully declined and didn't have that interview.

Missed opportunity to say you landed an interview at LandingAI :-)

Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by tablespoon »

kevsim wrote: post #39
notsag-hn wrote: post #32

I was going to interview at LandingAI. I was asked before the interview to install a spyware browser extension to monitor my traffic to detect if I was cheating during the interview. I respectfully declined and didn't have that interview.

Wow if you can “cheat” during an interview - meaning either that they’re asking trivial, google-able stuff or that they’re so bad at interviewing that they can’t tell if you actually know your stuff - then their hiring process is pretty bad.

> Wow if you can “cheat” during an interview - meaning either that they’re asking trivial, google-able stuff or that they’re so bad at interviewing that they can’t tell if you actually know your stuff - then their hiring process is pretty bad.

Not necessarily, at least on the first point. Someone could be getting coached.

A few years ago, a coworker of mine hired a contractor onto his team and was convinced the person who actually showed up was not the person who he interviewed (over the phone). He also thought the guy who did show up was getting a lot of help day-to-day from somewhere. The guy was a contractor, so it wasn't a huge problem because we could drop him quickly, but I would have never expected someone would do anything like that. However, it kind of makes sense as a scam: be a decent developer, get a stable of unhirable incompetents, and rotate them through companies while taking a cut of their salary.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

mdp2021 wrote: post #61
ThalesX wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, in 2022, one could reach into their pocket just use a phone, making the interviewer's cautionary move generally useless.

> just use a phone I assumed that keeping looking in the direction of the camera was relevant (in their idea).

It's fairly easy to augment a video stream to paste on eyes that always look in the direction of the camera. It's the digital equivalent of glasses with eyes on them[1].

1. https://www.amazon.com/glasses-eyes-them/s?k=glasses+with+ey...

Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by kevinventullo »

mdp2021 wrote: post #54
notsag-hn wrote: post #32

I was going to interview at LandingAI. I was asked before the interview to install a spyware browser extension to monitor my traffic to detect if I was cheating during the interview. I respectfully declined and didn't have that interview.

I'd just note that if pushed by circumstances (if one was willing to be interviewed in spite of their ways), the interview environment could be (would be) on a throwaway virtual machine... Possibility which, by the way, makes the interviewer's cautionary move generally useless.

I suppose if you’re clever enough to set up a VM in order to evade detection, that’s a pretty positive aptitude signal in its own right (though pretty negative on the behavioral/ethics side).

Re: Andrew Ng: Unbiggen AI

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Post by nomilk »

cloogshicer wrote: post #55
notsag-hn wrote: post #32

I was going to interview at LandingAI. I was asked before the interview to install a spyware browser extension to monitor my traffic to detect if I was cheating during the interview. I respectfully declined and didn't have that interview.

Well, Ng is also one of those people who believe that we should all work 70+ hours per week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15251769

Musk recommends 80-100hr weeks, every week

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtaxU6DZvLs&t=1m20s

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