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Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by CursedUrn »

plusmax1 wrote: post #8
brundolf wrote: post #3

This is the first time I've ever held off on a Windows update; I didn't even mind Windows 8 From what I've seen, this one is so bad that I'm assuming they'll be forced to walk it back and/or dramatically rethink it, so I'm just holding out for that

Tbh I like it. Except that I've disabled most of the telemetry, the ads, the handholding and new "features" (lots of github PS scripts available to 'optimize' the initial install). I've also installed StartAllBack to disable the new taskbar which I hate. Now its behaving just the way I like it and it's lean and fast. This, together with WSL2 I don't feel I need anything else as a daily driver.

> I've disabled most of the telemetry

How can you be sure about this? They patch and update the telemetry code frequently, for example, when they updated it to get around hostfile blocking, or moved their servers to new addresses for the same reason. The Windows 10 upgrade assistant that was installed without warning on Windows 7 included telemetry that regularly scanned all the executables on your drives and sent the list to Microsoft (ostensibly to check for compatibility, but I'm sure they kept the data around). If you can't trust the OS and they can update it at will, you have no hope of privacy.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by technion »

hotpotamus wrote: post #23
0des wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brenda in accounting isn't going to run Ubuntu even with the cute animal names. Until that happens,there will be stacks upon stacks of windows optiplexes being sold every day. Also nobody misses sloaris. I'm going to chalk that remark up to a misfired punchline.

I doubt Brenda would care much if she was running something like RHEL for work since it can run a browser as good as anything. I assume the main thing keeping Windows around in her case is all the IT endpoint management stuff built around the MS ecosystem. Personally, I'd probably be all in on Ubuntu or some derivative if not for gaming.

Really the experience supporting users across lots of organisations is at odds to that.

Coming from a place where changing the Windows background from the default XP theme resulted in people stating they literally weren't able to work and actually refusing to work for several days, having to hack up the Chrome deployment so the shortcut uses the IE icon and calls it "Internet Explorer", Brenda in accounting absolutely cares that she's on a Windows machine running Office unfortunately.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by mhio »

supernovae wrote: post #57
mavhc wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What changed between a 7th and 8th gen intel cpu that made it not work?

Lots of articles on this.. i suspect similar issues of security and performance for the reason mac deprecated that hardware too on current os.

Macos 12 runs on Ivy Bridge 2013 mac pro's and haswell mac minis, so on their side it wouldn't appear to be a technical limitation of the older CPU's. Apple does their trusted stuff on the T2 rather than the Windows generic TPM 2.0 requirement, but interestingly the 2013 mac pro lacks a T2 as well. I think TPM 2.0 was a 6th gen skylake onwards thing?

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by p1peridine »

CursedUrn wrote: post #71
plusmax1 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh I like it. Except that I've disabled most of the telemetry, the ads, the handholding and new "features" (lots of github PS scripts available to 'optimize' the initial install). I've also installed StartAllBack to disable the new taskbar which I hate. Now its behaving just the way I like it and it's lean and fast. This, together with WSL2 I don't feel I need anything else as a daily driver.

> I've disabled most of the telemetry How can you be sure about this? They patch and update the telemetry code frequently, for example, when they updated it to get around hostfile blocking, or moved their servers to new addresses for the same reason. The Windows 10 upgrade assistant that was installed without warning on Windows 7 included telemetry that regularly scanned all the executables on your drives and sent th…

It's not easy but it is possible. You'd have to disable Windows update, IE and Edge, SMB, MRT, Defender, AutoLoggers, WMP DRM, GWX, SmartScreen, WER and change a bunch of registry keys. Disable certain services and scheduled tasks.

DiagTrack and all of it's sub-components have to be completely disabled and replaced with decoy files.

To verify, you'd have to monitor certain APIs via WinDbg and trace certain EventProviders using Windows Performance Recorder over a period of 24 hours to make sure there are no escalation issues (DiagTrack).

Pro-tip: if the EventLog (view them using Event Viewer) is not full of errors that constantly reappear you haven't disabled Telemetry properly.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by jareklupinski »

w4rh4wk5 wrote: post #14

I'd really like to know how much Microsoft's behavior with recent Windows versions pays off. Specifically bundling lots of unwanted apps, forcing Edge and Defender down people's throats, removing basic UI customization features, etc. The fact that they are still doing this today suggests that they get something out of these decisions. Or at least they think so. I can only imagine that the part of customers being alie…

the people who voluntarily leave telemetry "on" are probably skewing the results

do they use telemetry on who disables telemetry to balance the data :P

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

I've been using Microsoft as my primary OS since I migrated from my Apple II clone during the days of MS-DOS (mostly for gaming issues and the configuration hassles of Linux). Windows 11 is finally the straw that breaks the camels back. I'll keep one machine running with Windows 10 for as long as it is supported and then take the full plunge away from Microsoft all together. I'm sure I won't be the only one.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by stagger87 »

jeffdubin wrote: post #18

A huge number of consumers who can't upgrade to Windows 11 due to unsupported hardware will instead opt for an iPad or Chromebook. Everything is either web- or app-based, and people don't want the complexity of Windows. Microsoft will lose a big chunk of the Windows user base this way.

Why wouldn't they just stay on win10? It's not like it's going anywhere?
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