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Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by TomGullen »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #63
basisword wrote: post #13

I’m generally in favour of some limits on speech. I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. It’s obviously very complicated and something people are going to argue a lot about. BUT this case has made me change my opinion. Things much worse than this are tweeted every day and this is the one that gets prosecuted. It’s blatantly politically motivated (‘national hero’, British soldier etc) a…

>>"I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. " Why not,and who gets to make the determination? I'm an atheist, and having so many blasphemy and religion protection laws in liberal democracies misused (or rather, used exactly as they are truly intended) so horribly has really taught me what poorly defined restrictions on speech mean in the real world. As for racist speech, I really truly b…

Racism is wrong and dangerous, and giving oxygen to it helps propagate and give validity to it.

Censoring it might keep the racists to their ugly selves, but that's OK with me.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by mlindner »

trashtester wrote: post #41
basisword wrote: post #13

I’m generally in favour of some limits on speech. I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. It’s obviously very complicated and something people are going to argue a lot about. BUT this case has made me change my opinion. Things much worse than this are tweeted every day and this is the one that gets prosecuted. It’s blatantly politically motivated (‘national hero’, British soldier etc) a…

The problem with banning things like "racism" is that words change meaning over time. Maybe some time in the future, any reference to "White Privlege" may be considered racist, for instance.

Well "white privledge" IS racist. So that's already the case. Just some people don't consider it that way.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by NikolaNovak »

TomGullen wrote: post #71
NikolaNovak wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>"I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. " Why not,and who gets to make the determination? I'm an atheist, and having so many blasphemy and religion protection laws in liberal democracies misused (or rather, used exactly as they are truly intended) so horribly has really taught me what poorly defined restrictions on speech mean in the real world. As for racist speech, I really truly b…

Racism is wrong and dangerous, and giving oxygen to it helps propagate and give validity to it. Censoring it might keep the racists to their ugly selves, but that's OK with me.

I agree with first claim.

We clearly disagree on the second so can you elaborate? I believe formal legal censorship of an expression GIVES it oxygen and will subsequently increase it.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by [deleted] »

basisword wrote: post #13

I’m generally in favour of some limits on speech. I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. It’s obviously very complicated and something people are going to argue a lot about. BUT this case has made me change my opinion. Things much worse than this are tweeted every day and this is the one that gets prosecuted. It’s blatantly politically motivated (‘national hero’, British soldier etc) a…

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by sharikous »

gonzo41 wrote: post #59
trashtester wrote: post #41

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The problem with banning things like "racism" is that words change meaning over time. Maybe some time in the future, any reference to "White Privlege" may be considered racist, for instance.

Quoted post unavailable.

It's more about the political undertone.

Your definition of racism is one of many. Today there is a strong push to define racism only as discrimination against historically oppressed racial minorities.

It's a loaded term now, not a neutral one.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by car_analogy »

hhmc wrote: post #39
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #27

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Yes, it would have been better if the poster had cited sources instead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_grooming_gang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitat...

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by RicoElectrico »

kitd wrote: post #48
RicoElectrico wrote: post #28

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You need to be 18+ and present ID to buy a kitchen knife. Or even scissors.

Not scissors. Or folding pocket knives https://www.bromley.gov.uk/leaflet/122601/20/480/d

I see, probably the person I got this info from encountered an overzealous seller. Which is not unusual, Lidl in Poland requires ID to but non-alcoholic beer. Literally nobody else does that.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by linschn »

tored wrote: post #56
jeffalyanak wrote: post #40

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Just like how speed limits necessitate the arrest of everyone who drives.

Your comparison would be true if the speed limit differentiated on the intent on the speeder, e.g. person A can drive over the speed limit but not person B because person B has the wrong intent.

Ambulance, firefighters, etc.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

tored wrote: post #20
cm2187 wrote: post #6

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It’s also disturbing that the police complains it is not given the means to combat knife crime but thinks it is a good use of their resource to police politeness on twitter.

What is typical for organization like police is that they prioritize things that gets the best statistics in a spreadsheet, not the best result for society.

Yes, if you ever have trouble getting them to take a problem seriously then log each recurrence separately and ask for a reference each time.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by justin66 »

skilled wrote: post #33

Governments sure do make it hard to love them.

It’s the nature of the average voter that they might whinge about their freedom of speech being infringed and, on another occasion, call for a guy like this to be punished, without appreciating the inconsistency.
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