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Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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Maybe it's usually not limited throughout history, but our current particular flavor of collapse is late stage capitalism.

What exactly are these stages?

feudalism -> domestic industrialization and the formation of capital markets (1700s) -> imperialist competition in global markets and the height of colonial exploitation (1800s) -> the fully privatized multinational firm, global financialization, fully privatized competitors in global markets (post-ww2 ie late).

Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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Why do you believe that everything the government does is nefarious? If you really believe your government is after you and everyone else you can try to change it or leave the country. The one option that doesn’t change anything is posting unrelated comments on the web. How is the government informing people bad? Are schools bad? Universities?

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Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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What is the collapse? What is late stage about it? What is the next stage? These words have always felt so meaningless to me...

The original answers to "late?", "collapse?, and "what's next?" questions all require recalling that the term originated in Marxist circles. The "late" meant something like the type of capitalism that emerged out of ww2, characterized primarily by post-colonial global trade networks. That's quite a bit in the past for us, but "late" by the standards of an ideological tradition that started in the 1800s. Even still, o…

^ this is a great answer.

The vibe is one where you have :searching for something accessible: a hunger games approach where society is driven towards exploitation rather than the sustenance and growth of the majority.

In general however, its dangerous to think "its always been this way". I would argue societally we've been in a continuous struggle between the two and there are many moments in the recent past where the US was building a more egalitarian society than found elsewhere, despite the rampant incessant racism that existed.

Public schools and libraries, the rise of unions and creation of the wknd, stopping child labor, centralized mailing systems, well managed interstates, growth of home ownership, social welfare, and for a moment really great emergency care at hospitals, had moments of real existence and came together in combinations rarely seen outside of the USA.

Assuming things have always been kind of shit and are likely to just get shittier takes us all off the hook far too easily imo.

Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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Yes I would rather the government not use social media influencers to try to change public opinion on matters. They shouldn't be performing PsyOps on their own citizens.

Except that what they were doing is better described as outreach, and was done openly and in apparent good faith. Such outreach is especially important given the prevalence of FSB psyops — actual psyops — throughout the world.

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Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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> The White House is “briefing” TikTok stars about [what to say about] the war in Ukraine If that’s not propaganda, what is?

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Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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You say gangster capitalism. I also hear late stage capitalism and other such modifiers being thrown around a lot. When has power ever been limited? Certainly not in any communist society that’s existed so far, nor under feudalism, or even earlier capitalist societies to my knowledge (did the Roman’s not have this problem?).

> When has power ever been limited? The question isn't really whether power has been "limited" (it's unclear to me what that would even mean, honestly), but the form in which it is constituted and what institutions it rests with. Like, it's pretty clear that the institutions which control and manage daily life and politics in 21st century America are of a much different character than the ones of the mid-20th century…

Of course the institutions are different. But is the problem of power any different? If anything, it seems like there are more ways that power is limited in current America than 16th century Europe or the USSR.

Roman was absolutely multinational. I don’t think it had corporations, but rather the entire empire acting as a single business… which is even worse.

Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

#78

Nah cos big corps just do what they want with no penalties unless they piss off enough people that the politicans feel like they need to make a point.. ...we're well into gangster capitalism now

You say gangster capitalism. I also hear late stage capitalism and other such modifiers being thrown around a lot. When has power ever been limited? Certainly not in any communist society that’s existed so far, nor under feudalism, or even earlier capitalist societies to my knowledge (did the Roman’s not have this problem?).

There is a lot of space to play around with outside of "pure" communism, feudalism, or ancient capitalism. For example, the EU seems to be making a strong attempt to balance consumer protections with corporate-friendliness.

Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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The original answers to "late?", "collapse?, and "what's next?" questions all require recalling that the term originated in Marxist circles. The "late" meant something like the type of capitalism that emerged out of ww2, characterized primarily by post-colonial global trade networks. That's quite a bit in the past for us, but "late" by the standards of an ideological tradition that started in the 1800s. Even still, o…

^ this is a great answer. The vibe is one where you have :searching for something accessible: a hunger games approach where society is driven towards exploitation rather than the sustenance and growth of the majority. In general however, its dangerous to think "its always been this way". I would argue societally we've been in a continuous struggle between the two and there are many moments in the recent past where th…

> Assuming things have always been kind of shit and are likely to just get shittier takes us all off the hook far too easily imo.

I've seen this same mindset that you're pointing out.

However, I don't think that it is usually used to "let people off the hook" - most of the time that I've heard it used (a bunch of times in real life, not just on the internet), the subtext is "...and so we should replace the current government with another [highly authoritarian, non-constitutionally-limited] one that can fix these issues, either through voting for an extreme candidate/party, or straight-up violent revolution".

That might be just my experience, though - I went to a university with a significant anarcho-communist group in the student body.

Re: Visa's marketing opt-out has been down for over a week. Is this a legal issue?

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IANAL, but if the page is used to opt-out of marketing emails, then yes, Visa is in violation the US CAN-SPAM act, which requires promptly processing opt-out requests. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act... As long as the opt-out page is broken, they should not be sending out marketing emails and could be open to a class-action lawsuit from people they email with no ability to opt-out.

> could be open to a class-action lawsuit from people they email with no ability to opt-out. CAN-SPAM does not grant standing to individuals. The only recourse individuals have under CAN-SPAM is to report the violation to the FTC and hope the FTC does something about it.

Do individuals have standing against FTC if they don't action ?

Lack of FTC action is causing you material harm , or is there immunity against FTC as well?

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