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This annoys me. Rather than robbing Moxie of his vision and forcing Meta to break their business model, why do governments not just lead by example? Start using Matrix, we all know that the signup process could be easier (among many other things), throw some money and devs at the project with that specific goal. Start offering services over Matrix. Public money, public code. The whole world benefits.
Why would requiring interoperability rob Moxie of his vision?
Why did we as consumers accept this? I remember back when MSN/Windows Live Messenger used to be one of the most popular options out there. Even though I used Ubuntu, I could still chat with my friends through the Pidgin messenger. This was all possible through the XMPP interface, which still exists by the way. It's not just that these new messaging platforms are adding no extra value, they are creating worse experien…
How easy is it to send full quality videos and pictures via XMPP? I feel like the main difference from my Pidgin days and today is that these days there is a metric ton of large media files being sent around.
I miss the days when I could fire up Pidgin (or Gaim when I started using it) and instantly connect to every IM service I ever needed. Hopefully this is a step back towards that.
Same here. That's why I paid to use beeper. It's amazing to have all my chats in one app again. (Not affiliated just love the experience)
What do you love, what is missing?
Can you organize the chats?
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Good luck blocking a person that pretends to be 10000 different strangers.
“block stranger requests” could mean using your contacts as an allowlist
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Why would requiring interoperability rob Moxie of his vision?
More importantly who is Moxie?
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“block stranger requests” could mean using your contacts as an allowlist
This. I am somewhat surprised allowlist isn't a thing. I get that there are times, you want to be open to the world ( say you are actually waiting for an interview call ), but this would easily solve a good portion of the issues. Am I missing something?
Is say MMO chat a social network?
Just force monopolistic/abusive/anti-competitive companies to expose API's ; it's not a stretch; they did it for banks (psd2) and it's great for consumers and companies alike. Do it for everything; open systems make the world better. And they can still be monetized; it's not like forcing everyone to open source everything. Edit: more subtle choice of words to indicate what I meant
If you want a free, private, modern communication network, build it, don't steal it. In this case we are already very close to having a very nice solution in the form of Matrix. Throw some money and devs for things at Matrix/Element for issues we want to solve there. Push it as a government sanctioned solution. Offer services over Matrix, avoid WhatsApp.
This is almost too good to actually go through. Protocol transparency, that is to say forcing companies to open up their APIs would be one of the simplest and effective ways to break platform effects and walled gardens. It shouldn't just be limited to messaging. An internet where everyone can built a client against Facebook's API, or Youtube or what have you and users get actual choice and control about how they cons…
Beyond privacy concerns, it’s also going to open these and many other services up to an unending wave of SPAM. So, I wouldn’t assume it’s great for end users without digging into the details. Don’t forget the last time they did privacy regulations they created an unending wave of click yes to accept cookies. PS: Looking at rapid downvotes I see people disagree, but mandatory interoperability would presumably force th…
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So no guarantee of interoperability.
> So no guarantee of interoperability. Why not? Can you come up with examples? Are you worried that they would use automation to generate a new "API" per second, so consumers would need to play catch-up? Do you think that would hold in court, if/when this initiative has been legislated?
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iMessage and WhatsApp both already have encryption backdoors that escrow the endpoint secret keys or plaintext to cloud services, undermining the end-to-end encryption. That ship has sailed.
I wasn't aware of this, do you have a link for me to read more?
iCloud Backup was introduced in iOS 5, released in 2011. It escrows either message plaintext or device secret keys (depending on OS version and configuration) to Apple, encrypted with Apple keys (non-e2e) and readable to Apple (and the FBI and others, some of whom access the data without probable cause or a warrant under FAA Section 702).
WhatsApp backup backs up chat plaintext to cloud services (I think Google is the default), also non-e2e and readable to the cloud storage service (who often shares it with government snoops without a search warrant, also under FAA Section 702). They added an e2e option late last year but it doesn't matter if you turn it on because none of the people you chat with are likely to have it enabled (so all of your chats will be backed up in plaintext from the other end).