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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by pc86 »

cnasc wrote: post #62
geodel wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is that insane salary? Seems you have no idea about how much executives are paid at that level in general. Or for Mozilla everyone has to work for free?

Does Mozilla pay their software developers an industry-standard TC?

It looks like Mozilla's average SDE salary is about $120k, so yes.

The national median software developer salary is something like $110k. The middle 50% range is like $85-150k, so if you're making above 150k TC you're already in the top 1/4 of developers, who are already very high up in general.

I say this because people on HN love to pretend that "industry-standard" means $250k+ for new grads and $400k for experienced ICs when that's just not true. FAANG-level salaries (which can absolutely be 300, 400, 500k TC) are the 1% of the 1%.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by pc86 »

rndgermandude wrote: post #40
qbasic_forever wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they going to rehire all the dedicated editors and staff they laid off? Or is this really just charging money for all their now open source contributed content...

Neither. As the article specifically mentions, they will not be charging for the existing open content, or any future changes or additions to it. Why you would try to suggest they might do this is beyond me. They will be selling additional "premium features" at launch time, as described in this article, and plan to sell specifically created additional content, like in-depth articles, in the longer run, as described i…

> Why you would try to suggest they might do this is beyond me.

Cynical take: because reading is hard so people just don't do it, and see "MDN" in the title so take this as their chance to scream into the void about whatever tangentially related nonsense they care about today.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by kaycebasques »

mrzimmerman wrote: post #45

I’m not sure I’ve ever felt like I’ve needed to personally organize parts of MDN but I might just subscribe to support the place. Who knows, maybe I’ll love the new features. Notifications could be helpful, though I’m more the “check in when I’m about to use some method to see if it’s changed” kind of engineer and less the “stay as up to date as possible” kind of engineer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But hey, I’ll be supporting Mozill…

Notifications could be hugely valuable for developers who are looking to build feature-rich apps that rely on lots of new web platform features that are not yet supported on all browsers.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by subpixel »

There's something in the water at Mozilla that negatively effects all product decisions.

Notifications and collections are features, not a product.

A viable and attractive MDN product would be a subscription to all the layers above the existing docs and guides, combined with a major initiative to connect with experts to create course material and sell it as a part of the platform.

MDN: what got you here won't get you where you want to go.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by dend »

kaycebasques wrote: post #70
dend wrote: post #63

This is an interesting take on documentation - mainly because I fail to see the value proposition in paying for the functionality provided. Speaking from my own experience: - Notifications. I am not sure that I've ever needed to know when a doc is updated, because if there is anything radical coming on the market (or in a spec proposal), there are other avenues to find out about it. - Collections. That is already a f…

Re: notifications I think it's a smart move. Back when I was content lead for https://web.dev I was floating around ideas along the same lines. Web developers learn of great new feature X and are disappointed to learn that it's only supported on a single browser. They then forget about the feature for years even though in the meantime it has been implemented on all their target browsers. Notifications of some sort so…

Also, things like collections have been on sites like docs.microsoft.com[0] for some time. I find it somewhat odd personally to gate documentation-related features behind a membership fee, but I do not have full context on MDN product decisions or roadmap.

[0]: https://docs.microsoft.com/azure/app-service/quickstart-node...

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by mplewis »

This is great! I'm glad to have a way to directly support MDN for the work that they do. MDN is by far the most valuable part of the work Mozilla puts out.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by gruturo »

geodel wrote: post #55
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

What is that insane salary? Seems you have no idea about how much executives are paid at that level in general. Or for Mozilla everyone has to work for free?

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down.

So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neither directly nor through some creative accounting, where they reduce engineer salaries to offset the cashflow from this new stream, and pocket the savings), and you have my 10 bucks a month for the next 8 years (and possibly longer, but let's see what they do in 8 years). I won't move the goalposts and I'll make good on my promise.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

geodel wrote: post #55
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

What is that insane salary? Seems you have no idea about how much executives are paid at that level in general. Or for Mozilla everyone has to work for free?

No they need to pocket 8 million dollars and fire developers, absolutely

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by TAKEMYMONEY »

jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

I'd appreciate a pay-what-you-want option. (I still subscribed for $50 annual because you called me out, promise I'm not shilling!)
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