France ends gas heaters subsidies • Hacker News Board

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by ForgotIdAgain » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 9:53 AM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61

ForgotIdAgain wrote: post #51

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Algeria cannot readily provides ressources https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/market-insigh... and it seems it will be hit hard as all of north africa by the end of ukraine and russia grain export and drought affecting agriculture. Norway looks to be a more stable source https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Beginning-Of-... But there was another source that I can't seem to find anymore that indi…

> Algeria cannot readily provides ressources Algeria already provides gas to most of Southern Europe, it is the 5th largest gas producer in the world. > another source that I can't seem to find anymore that indicates that norway gas reserves are not that great. Norway is 6th largest NG produce in the world and yields a cubic output equivalent to a quarter of Russia's output. The point is a very large investment/infra…

Long term energy independence from russia is good, but what about the timescale? I'm no oil/gas engineer but it all seems big industrial investment, but people are talking about cold cutting russia (is it feasible technically?), since it seems to be the road that will be taken, let's hope that europe will wither the shock.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:00 AM UTC

Bayart wrote: post #57

369548684892826 wrote: post #9

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Developer salary in France is probably lower than a French pension.

That's hyperbolic and false. Dev salaries are much better than the rest at equivalent education levels, just like they are everywhere. And pensions are quite low, although they usually assume that pensionneers own their home and have lower expenses than the working population.

>they usually assume that pensionneers own their home

Then good luck to the millennials out there will will have lower pensions than the boomers while also not being able to afford to own any properties.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by heyyeah » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:02 AM UTC

VaxWithSex wrote: post #54

heyyeah wrote: post #47

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Yes! Daily meteo has a big impact on the domestic heating consumption

I meant the company https://www.energymeteo.com/ that, I presume, provides the technology behind your vpp

no, we have our own VPP

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by Bayart » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:04 AM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #72

Bayart wrote: post #57

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That's hyperbolic and false. Dev salaries are much better than the rest at equivalent education levels, just like they are everywhere. And pensions are quite low, although they usually assume that pensionneers own their home and have lower expenses than the working population.

>they usually assume that pensionneers own their home Then good luck to the millennials out there will will have lower pensions than the boomers while also not being able to afford to own any properties.

I don't plan on ever having a state pension. Most people my age just live with the idea that we're canon fodder for the economy.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by VaxWithSex » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:09 AM UTC

heyyeah wrote: post #73

VaxWithSex wrote: post #54

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I meant the company https://www.energymeteo.com/ that, I presume, provides the technology behind your vpp

no, we have our own VPP

Ah, I think I missinterpreted the `EMS` part

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:10 AM UTC

heyyeah wrote: post #7

I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

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Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:14 AM UTC

Bayart wrote: post #74

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #72

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>they usually assume that pensionneers own their home Then good luck to the millennials out there will will have lower pensions than the boomers while also not being able to afford to own any properties.

I don't plan on ever having a state pension. Most people my age just live with the idea that we're canon fodder for the economy.

Same. I'm gonna enjoy whatever is left of my life where I'm healthy and can do the activities I like without saving for retirement, and the moment I'm too sick to be able to work and enjoy life, I'm probably just gonna off myself.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by bestouff » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:19 AM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #67

ThePhysicist wrote: post #43

When I lived in France, gas-powered "heating mushrooms" were a common sight in most restaurants and cafés. They basically generate radiation heat so people can comfortably sit outdoors in the early spring / late autumn months. I always thought that this seemed like a capital waste of energy, basically "heating" an unenclosed outdoor space. In the grand scheme of things those heaters probably don't make much of a dent…

> I always thought that this seemed like a capital waste of energy, basically "heating" an unenclosed outdoor space. If we're on the topic of nations wasting energy, let's talk about the US (no hate, just pointing out the facts). I was shocked to see Las Vegas casinos on the strip keeping all the doors open while running the AC at full blast to have 22C in the middle of the desert, basically outdoor. Single pane wind…

You forgot people bringing their electrical heater because they find the AC in their office is too cold !

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Post by treeman79 » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:22 AM UTC

bestouff wrote: post #78

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #67

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> I always thought that this seemed like a capital waste of energy, basically "heating" an unenclosed outdoor space. If we're on the topic of nations wasting energy, let's talk about the US (no hate, just pointing out the facts). I was shocked to see Las Vegas casinos on the strip keeping all the doors open while running the AC at full blast to have 22C in the middle of the desert, basically outdoor. Single pane wind…

You forgot people bringing their electrical heater because they find the AC in their office is too cold !

Often it can be too hot at one of duct work and to cold at another. Also some people run hot or cold.

Of course then there’s the one job where the owner walked into department saw that everyone was wearing full winter jackets, mittens and scarves. Next day it was more reasonable.

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Post by heyyeah » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 10:32 AM UTC

yetanother-1 wrote: post #41

heyyeah wrote: post #13

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Here is the customer site (in french): https://economie-chauffage-electrique.tiko.fr/ + our B2B site (in english) which explains a bit more the platform: https://tiko.energy/

I got it installed via engie less than a week ago. But I can only manage it through engie. Do you know if I can manage it through my own Home Assistant instance?

no, sorry. just through the app or website for the moment. we're looking at this though.