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US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Someone posted the graph earlier: https://www.macrotrends.net/2015/fed-funds-rate-historical-c... Fed funds rate in the early 80s were at their historical peak. We are still currently at near historical lows.

How did anyone buy a house or a car with interest rates in the 20%s?

Prices were lower, and they could refinance when rates got lower.

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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The Fed is trapped: It can’t raise too much since trillions of debt rely on very low rates. If it doesn’t raise enough then inflation will cause a recession.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

Oh no! Boomers will lose 401(k) value! The horror!

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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It has everything to do with it. If they were higher, people would go bankrupt, not have money to drive, use less gas/oil, thus reducing demand, thus reducing price, thus reducing inflation.

It certainly does not have everything to do with it. The answer is somewhere in the middle. Cheap money absolutely causes inflation, but so do global supply chain breakdowns.

IMO rather than talking about ambiguous "inflation", one should be specific about what exactly is being inflated - "monetary inflation", "asset inflation", "price inflation", etc. Monetary inflation occurred when the Fed printed several trillions of dollars back in 2020, asset inflation occurred soon thereafter, and then price inflation took hold throughout 2021 as that new money trickled into consumers' hands.

It doesn't particularly make sense to call the current rising oil price inflation (that would make "inflation" just a synonym for price increases), but the price of energy going up will cause broad price inflation down the line.

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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The Fed is trapped: It can’t raise too much since trillions of debt rely on very low rates. If it doesn’t raise enough then inflation will cause a recession.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

It's rough.

On the one hand, retirees bring nothing of real value to the economy. We serve them because of the obligations they built up over their working careers. But, they get the focus of attention because a) they have all the money, b) they have all the time to be engaged in politics, and c) they vote. But they're purely an extractive cost center. A kind of economic parasite that keeps getting bigger and bigger with the magic of compounding interest.

On the other hand, the younger working class generations, who are the real engines of the economy that keep us all fed and served, are legitimately suffering and failing to acquire a significant stake in the economy. Sure, employment is high but pay is low compared to their parents. When shit hits the fan, the young generations are largely gonna shrug, because who fights to defend something they don't have a stake in?

It really seems like a powder keg for revolution.

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

Oh no! Boomers will lose 401(k) value! The horror!

Unfortunately most people with 401(k)s are in SPY as the default, boomers or not

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

Oh no! Boomers will lose 401(k) value! The horror!

Phrased less sarcastically: "Millions of retirees won't have enough money to survive until they pass away."

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

Oh no! Boomers will lose 401(k) value! The horror!

You won’t be laughing when you find out it’s your responsibility to bail them out.

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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The Fed is trapped: It can’t raise too much since trillions of debt rely on very low rates. If it doesn’t raise enough then inflation will cause a recession.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

This is always the case though, there are always retired people. They have raised rates and damaged market values in past. Its a decision they are comfortable taking.

Plus, at least current US retirees have social security, which may not last another 20+ years in current form (unfortunately for people paying in today).

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Most surprising part of this FOMC had to be when Powell said "we would like to slow demand" during the press conference, you don't usually hear the quiet part out loud like that from this Fed chair. Also shift upwards in PCE in the SEP, plus the dots, all seems appropriately hawkish

> Most surprising part of this FOMC had to be when Powell said "we would like to slow demand" during the press conference, you don't usually hear the quiet part out loud like that from this Fed chair. That's...not really a “quiet part”, it's the widely acknowledge, overt nature of managing inflation. That the Fed’s dual mandate involves employment and price stability, and that those are in tension because controlling…

The quiet part would be "We need to put a few million people out of work to cool things off."

Re: US Federal Reserve raises interest rates for first time since 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s even worse - if the Fed actions tank the markets, then millions of retirees who have been enjoying high market values are screwed and have no other source of wealth or income. I do not envy the position the Fed is in.

Oh no! Boomers will lose 401(k) value! The horror!

We can always just bring in more immigrants since that seems to be the solution to every problem like this. /s
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