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Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by InCityDreams »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #44
asdff wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are any apps at all actually good for route planning especially on a bike? It seems like that this is something in software that just sucks. I don't even bother anymore, I open up a topographical map and figure out routes by hand. No more turning left across six lanes from a stop sign. No more route thats "mostly flat", aside from the 400ft of undulating terrain that saps you. No sharing the road with semitrucks that…

https://cycle.travel/map Disclaimer - my site. It’s very focused on quiet routes, so will generally prefer a hilly road if the alternative is a traffic-infested one. Europe/North America/AU+NZ only at present.

Checking it out...thanks,

Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by asdfadfas »

cheeze wrote: post #57
verisimi wrote: post #8

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I'm still shocked and amazed that anyone would willingly share their health data with corporations. Why? What could go right? I say that acknowledging your point that this is possibly one of the better corporations out there. > Garmin is the only one I actually trust currently, as they've shown 0 willingness to monetize your health information. What about the concern that the company is bought out in the future? Or t…

Many people don't care about health data being monetized. I don't personally care if Strava sells my heart rate data or where I rode my bike today. I'm fine with trading them that data for their heat map, which is super useful in planning rides. To me, it comes down to me being fine with this data being considered public. If others don't want to share it, that's totally fine and I understand their perspective. For me…

> Congrats, you sold some data that says I'm fat, out of shape, and don't like riding my bike on busy roads.

I can only imagine anyone buying the data does so only if they believe they can make more using the data. I don't think I know of anyone doing this now (not sure if there is regulation preventing this), but its not hard to imagine a eventuality where your health data/work out information can be used by your health insurance provider.

Imagine a scenario, your bmi is higher than normal and is trending higher in the past few months, so that increases your risk for x and hence your insurance premiums go up. Would you care then?

Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by asdfadfas »

voigt wrote: post #43

Is there any OSS/self hosted alternative to Strava? Where would be the challenges?

I built one for myself, sqlite + apache superset. I basically did that because over the years I had switched devices from different companies and I used to use endomondo which was shut down. I wanted to have all my data in once place. It does require me to export data from device and use my import script once a while, however works for me.

Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by asdff »

whimsicalism wrote: post #46
asdff wrote: post #42

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Not really the case for their computers imo. OS X is like a linux distro but with paid maintainers.

Try getting Siri to use google maps :)

I consider Siri like some mold from iOS that has spread and polluted OSX, rather than a fundamental part of OSX.

Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by johannes1234321 »

xsmasher wrote: post #55
voigt wrote: post #43

Is there any OSS/self hosted alternative to Strava? Where would be the challenges?

Strava has: * the database of "segments" created by users * the leaderboard data for each segment * the network-effects of being "the place to record data" If you create a self-hosted Strava then it isn't really Strava; it's just a log of your workouts.

Also the heatmqps to do routing based on where people actually are riding. Which is useful to identify the good/secure roads.

But a self hosted tool still can do a lot for own analysis. For tracking the own progress, the own training plan.

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Post by Gigachad »

mrtksn wrote: post #70
s1mon wrote: post #26

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Strava is extremely frustrating. I've been a paid user for 10+ years. They do add features from time to time, but it's amazing how slowly it happens. There's a forum on their web site for user feedback and suggestions, but it seems like they pay little attention to the users. So many of their users that I know feel like a run or bike ride didn't happen if they don't record it on Strava. It's a super addictive and sti…

A few years back, I noticed a morbid topic in their forums about a user requesting a feature but a few years later getting diagnosed with a terminal illness before Strava delivering on the feature[0]. I posted it on HN but got flagged[1]. I still find it eye opening, a reminder that the code we write are products impacting the finite life of other people. Maybe we should have more modular, more open software as a sta…

It is modular. You could download the route GPX, and reverse it yourself.

Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by Gigachad »

stingrae wrote: post #35
samschooler wrote: post #3

Note: this restriction is limited to THIRD PARTY data, so: Strava -> Apple Health, still works Garmin/Fitbod/3rd party app -> Strava -> Apple Health, no longer syncs. IMHO this is better for me because now I don’t have duplicates in Apple Health and can sync to both services. But to each they’re own I guess.

Why not let users chose to enable/disable?

Because users don't choose. They just delete the app and complain that its buggy/clunky.

Re: Strava abruptly ends 3rd party data sync to Apple Health

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Post by johannes1234321 »

notacoward wrote: post #29
mdoms wrote: post #11

Garmin Connect is so much better than Strava it's not even close. The only reason I could possibly imagine preferring Strava is if I desperately need my social circle to be aware of my every workout. For those of us who do this for ourselves and not the approval of our peers Strava is miles behind.

That's a very negative view of why people want to share on Strava. It's not all about ego. Sometimes it's about motivation, in two ways. I try to track my own times on various segments to see how well my training is going, and sometimes challenge myself to beat those times, because that helps me increase route variety and that helps me keep going. (I don't actually like running so much as I like having run BTW.) Garm…

> I greatly appreciate the "kudos" I get from others

This was once nice for me, but at some point it was obvious that many simply kudos everything.

However for a while it was quite a motivation to go, just to keep the public image of myself active. ;)

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Post by Riseed »

verisimi wrote: post #8
exabrial wrote: post #2

All of the (Garmin, Strava, Apple, and Google [who is trying really hard but failing]) want a monopoly on your health data. Garmin is the only one I actually trust currently, as they've shown 0 willingness to monetize your health information. The Strava/Garmin relationship is an interesting one: Strava has the social network, Garmin has the best devices [for serious Athletes, not casual users]. Garmin Connect is pret…

I'm still shocked and amazed that anyone would willingly share their health data with corporations. Why? What could go right? I say that acknowledging your point that this is possibly one of the better corporations out there. > Garmin is the only one I actually trust currently, as they've shown 0 willingness to monetize your health information. What about the concern that the company is bought out in the future? Or t…

>> Garmin is the only one I actually trust currently, as they've shown 0 willingness to monetize your health information.

> What about the concern that the company is bought out in the future? Or that it may be sharing data already, with government agencies, etc? Or companies that it works with? > It boggles my mind, that people ... come to the judgement that its ok for corporations to have this personal data!

I'm not OP. I chose Garmin precisely because I don't think it's ok for corporations to have this personal data.

I chose Garmin because I can use it without needing to share any* of my data with a third party, including Garmin itself. I save the workout files to my computer via the same USB cable I use to charge the watch. There are various non-cloud apps I can use to view and analyze these workouts, if I actually cared to do so beyond the "fastest 5k" etc that the watch tracks automatically.

For this, it does not matter to me whether Garmin is bought out in the future because my watch works just fine as-is, and cannot update its OS without my explicit permission. I'm unsure what data Garmin would be capable of sharing because I have given it none.

* of course, speed/time/location data is obtained by pinging GPS/GLONASS satellites, but the watch can and does record my workouts quite accurately in non-GPS pedometer mode.

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