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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #11
gadders wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the accusation would be that it is party-owned.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

> Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies.

Except when it comes to the controversial topics. CNN is everything but honest or objective

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by jonathanstrange »

cabirum wrote: post #52
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Another source worth mentioning is waronfakes.com which counters ukrainian propaganda echoed by western msm.

A page that doesn't even reveal openly who runs it (real names, affiliations, background) is completely worthless crap. If you judge alleged "news" uncritically like that, just by consuming it, you're part of the problem.

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Post by david422 »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

Russia is doing whatever it wants and then putting the blame elsewhere. The responsibility lies 100% with Russia.

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Post by jlokier »

vmind wrote: post #31
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional.

The UK at least has legislation which applies during elections and referendums ( https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-co... ).

Good point.

That doesn't force covering "both sides" of every issue though, in the way people often mean by "fair and balanced" in these discussions, where every issue needs to have a counterpoint aired.

The UK election rules are more about ensuring all the candidates for election get some representative airtime, and that overtly political advertisements are labelled as such during the election period, so a channel is not allowed to promote one party and completely block out another, or be monopolised by advertising funds. (There's also a very short quiet period just before the voting takes place.)

If all parties generally agree on something, the opposing view to that is unlikely to get much airtime, even if someone not running for office would really like to talk about it.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by CedarMills »

coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Normally I'd agree but knowing the damage that propaganda does - RT and any other Russian-government owned channels should be shutdown/"canceled".

For the last eight years, they've been riling up the Russian population with portraying Ukrainians as Nazis, barbarians, etc. It's gotten to the point now where they would make up fake stories (e.g. crucified boy). Right now, during the war - you literally can't call it a "war" or you might face being sentenced. If you share anything opposing the official view - you could get 15 years behind bars. Russian government has also forced all "opposition" media to shutdown in the last couple of days. Soon, they will annex themselves from the internet and the population will only have one source for news - the propaganda channels.

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Post by lm28469 »

herdcall wrote: post #32
phatfish wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees ( https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe... ). If you're only liste…

> what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either

What's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky are optimistic numbers and morale boosting statements mostly based on real events

What's coming out of Putin and RT is pure fantasy and has virtually no basis on real world events: Ukranian government are Nazis, Ukrain population is mostly pro Russia, Ukraine is mostly welcoming Russian troops, it's a liberation operation, &c.

> I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugee

Is Medium being censored ? Is medium a Russian source ?

See, you can still get informations of all kind without RT. And calling that "the russian" side is a stretch. It is used by russian propaganda to pretend ukranians are monster though (which is ironic considering Russian stance but whatever)

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Post by myko »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

> Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

The only time this comes up on CNN is when they show Putin saying it and talk about what a bullshit lie it is.

The fact is Putin wants to reestablish the Russian Empire. This was just one of the myriad excuses he used to invade. Repeating it is repeating Putin's propaganda, which is the job of his propaganda groups RT/Sputnik/etc

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Post by keymone »

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #27
yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

It's literally censorship. It doesn't stop being censorship just because you want it censored. Trying to redefine words like that insults your readers. People might consider your position a bit more if it's not obscured by your ego.

It's censorship of enemy's propaganda vehicle. Since when is that considered "bad"?

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Post by shabier »

yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

Just because some commenters disagree with an action doesn't mean they're "pro-Putin". Please refrain from that tribal, binary thinking- it doesn't help the cause.
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