If Russia explodes a dirty bomb that plumes into nato countries, what happens?
Condemn Russia so that Russia doesn't repeat it in the future.
Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
A few artillery shells probably won't breach the containment. Missile shielding is part of the plant design (I don't know what level of shielding; US plants are designed to withstand a strike by an airliner). Not saying that the attack is thus acceptable, just saying that it will take a concerted effort to breach the containment.
You'd think that nuclear energy would be pretty compelling economically if other power generation methods had to be designed to withstand a strike from an airliner
If an unprotected solar farm gets hit by a plane, some property damage happens. If an unprotected nuclear reactor were to get hit, we all know what would happen.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#73God damn, is the Russian army really this stupid? Is this an act of desperation, ignorance or spite?
Most likely ignorance, seems like they have soldiers who still think they are on a training mission. Initiation of an actual radioactive disaster near your own border on purpose…
how could any of them possibly still think this is a training mission? they're in a different country shooting actual people and buildings, and actual people are shooting back at them.
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#75Live stream from plant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8 Automated Radiation Monitoring system: https://www.npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms
Doesn't look like radiation levels are going up at the moment, do you know how often this page is updated?
This type of the nuclear power plant seems to be much more safe than the type of chernobyl. Maybe it is not leaking anything now.
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#76I do not understand, why are they fighting near the reactor? It only makes sense to keep troops of both sides away from something as dangerous.
From the Russian perspective, taking out Ukraine's power is strategic and demoralizing. Though I think we're seeing the Ukrainians are fierce when cornered, so probably isn't the morale breaker they think it is.
"From the Russian perspective, taking out Ukraine's power is strategic and demoralizing." It would seem to me as though the Russians are living in a glass house when it comes to energy sabotage. The map of Russian petroleum pipelines going through Ukraine is substantial.
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#77I would argue that this is a near equivalence of nuclear war with Ukraine. A well-/mis-placed Russian artillery shell could cause a loss of reactor integrity and meltdown, no? EDIT: according to child comments, a meltdown is unlikely/impossible, but spread of radioactive particles due to a direct strike is possible.
Probably not. Reactors generally can't melt down the way Chernobyl did anymore. The most significant risk is a breach of the reactor chamber fragmenting the fuel rofs and spreading radioactive particles around, or a hit to the spent fuel stores doing the same. Neither are good, but they wouldn't be nearly as bad as Chernobyl or a nuclear weapon strike.
if it can be bad as fukushima then it's bad
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#78It's not just on fire, it has been shelled by the Russian troops and there's a live feed where you can watch it as it happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8
You can see munitions impacts about 2 hr ago as well as somewhat later (will edit in a moment).
Flares ~1:36 ago.
These timestamps relative to ~1715 PST.
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#80Going through the livestream I may have found the missile that hit [1]. Timestamp is in the top left corner. Seems there were other weapons fired though.
Edit: More footage [2]
[1]: https://imgur.com/a/W9WbI4m [2]: https://twitter.com/aletweetsnews/status/1499547760986509315