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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by MrDresden »

yanmaani wrote: post #55
paxys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU and Russia are at war in all but name. One of the key challenges in such situations is combating enemy propaganda, and so not letting the Russian state controlled broadcaster play in your country 24x7 is a no brainer. Plus it isn't just about the content. Running a TV network can be a massively profitable business, and in this case the money is going out of EU citizens' pockets and straight to the Russian governme…

No. They are not at war "in all but name". War is a brutal thing, involving the deaths of thousands of young men. The EU is not by any stretch at war with Russia, nominally or otherwise. The entire point of a free country is that people can handle the information. If not, why even bother?

> War is a brutal thing, involving the deaths of thousands of young men.

Just want to point out that most EU millitaries, along with the Ukranians and the US have women as well. So there is death all around, no matter the sex.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by tankenmate »

Ajef wrote: post #62
Razengan wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

> “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. This is a very US perspective I think. Here in Germany there are many that think communism is fairer than capitalism (although perhaps unrealistic to attain). Insulting something/someone by saying something is communist or someone is a commy is not really something that happens here (except perhaps in politics). [Edit]…

I can concur, having attended various schools around the globe growing up. In one nominally American school (actually run by Canadian Catholic brothers, but largely attended by boys of American ex-pats), calling someone a "Commie" was fighting words (i.e. liable to get you punched). In other schools if you called someone a "Commie" people would likely think you were very strange and/or drank too much of the Kool-Aid.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by pixl97 »

yanmaani wrote: post #57
paxys wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you think is supplying Ukraine with the weapons that are causing half these deaths? Who is feeding them real-time intelligence? The Russian economy is crippled by EU sanctions. Their foreign reserves are frozen. Russian planes cannot fly into EU airspace. Russian oligarchs are having their assets seized across Europe. Diplomats are being expelled on both sides. These are not the actions between neutral, peacef…

Europe, Europe, and Europe. But it isn't actually a war. A war is a horrible, brutal thing. Wikipedia tells us: > War is an intense armed conflict between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme violence, aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces. When you describe what the r…

The terms cold war and proxy war have been around for a long time and are understood very well.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by proctrap »

Why do people here cry for freedom of speech ? We've had fake information laws in about every state in the last years. And now that it's not only banning some youtube accounts about covid but also fake information of russia about the war they are waging (and people they kill), you're surprised ?!

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by notafraudster »

yanmaani wrote: post #57
paxys wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you think is supplying Ukraine with the weapons that are causing half these deaths? Who is feeding them real-time intelligence? The Russian economy is crippled by EU sanctions. Their foreign reserves are frozen. Russian planes cannot fly into EU airspace. Russian oligarchs are having their assets seized across Europe. Diplomats are being expelled on both sides. These are not the actions between neutral, peacef…

Europe, Europe, and Europe. But it isn't actually a war. A war is a horrible, brutal thing. Wikipedia tells us: > War is an intense armed conflict between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme violence, aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces. When you describe what the r…

This is a tiresome distraction; okay, so by your definition of war, this kind of proxy war doesn't count. Fair enough, your definition of war is reasonable. We'll call the state between Europe and Russia "war prime" or whatever, since apparently no one disagrees with the actual state of affairs, just what to call it. Now we're back to the initial exchange, which was:

Person A: Why ban Russian state media? Europe and Russia are not at war. Person B: No, but they are at "war prime", which has some properties of war, including banning enemy propaganda.

Did creating the extra word to split the hair help resolve that conversation? It doesn't really feel like it to me. It seems like what most people would prefer the conversation be about is whether or not it makes sense to ban enemy propaganda in a state of "war prime" (or war, for that matter).

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by xyzal »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

I'm from the Czech Republic (inside former USSR's 'sphere of influence'), and the effects of Russian disinformation campaigns on our society are real. We are in a 'hybrid war' with Russia for at least ten years.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by The_rationalist »

MrDresden wrote: post #71
yanmaani wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They are not at war "in all but name". War is a brutal thing, involving the deaths of thousands of young men. The EU is not by any stretch at war with Russia, nominally or otherwise. The entire point of a free country is that people can handle the information. If not, why even bother?

> War is a brutal thing, involving the deaths of thousands of young men. Just want to point out that most EU millitaries, along with the Ukranians and the US have women as well. So there is death all around, no matter the sex.

That is extremely misleading, men suffer from intense misandrism. Ukrainians men are forced to stay captive in their cities to fight while ukrainian women are allowed to save their lives and flee the city, because they own a vagina.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by gruez »

proctrap wrote: post #74

Why do people here cry for freedom of speech ? We've had fake information laws in about every state in the last years. And now that it's not only banning some youtube accounts about covid but also fake information of russia about the war they are waging (and people they kill), you're surprised ?!

1. many (most?) people here are American, which has very pro free speech laws

2. fake news sucks, but do you really want a government agency deciding what speech is approved or not?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

mediumsmart wrote: post #69
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

It is made illegal precisely because it is not trash fire propaganda. Read some coverage of this crisis on there and judge for yourself.

[citation, from a non russian-state owned source, needed]

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by user-the-name »

Razengan wrote: post #4

How does this complete silencing of a country not disturb anybody?

You know what disturbs me? Invading a sovereign country and murdering 2000 civilians. That really disturbs me.

Banning a news channel dedicated to defending the murder of 2000 civilians? Not so much.

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