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Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by Dma54rhs »

Jenk wrote: post #21

My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

I know an Estonia company, remote Ukrainians of 4, all away now fighting for their country but they do their best to cover their workload and hope they can return soon.

Obviously still paying their wages as long as its possible, an economical hit for the startup but that's the best they can do to help them fight the occupants. Estonian team working more to make it up and the moral is high since their Ukrainians remind them how much worse it can get.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by lijogdfljk »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #42
Jenk wrote: post #21

My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

> My boss is asking for progress updates and I'm just responding "Nothing. The guys are focussing on staying safe, warm, and well stocked right now." (with a small side of incredulity.) Incredible. I know several managers with employees in Ukraine and their companies are all being very thoughtful about handling the situation. When I hire remotely (including Ukraine, where we even had a remote office at one point) it…

What's expected though? Not that i'm defending mistreatment, but i work with a small team of all remote and we have a few Russian devs. If they go absent for a while due to all this issue, we're not going to fire them or be angry.. but we still need to try and keep the company afloat, no?

Like forget bottom lines and corporate greed for a second. My company is small and if we don't hit an upcoming deadline, we're laying off at least half of our staff. I'm in full support of affected people but i also have to do my best to make sure the people employed by this company have a job tomorrow. This post seems to make that sound.. cold, uncaring?

To be clear i don't own the company nor am that high up on the management chain. We're only ~50 people. But still, i think this way. If an employee goes through really difficult times, of which we've had many, we wish them well and continue to pay them as best we can for as long as we can, but the 49 other people still have families, need food on the table, etc. It's just as important to me that the 49 other people are happy and healthy as it is the 1 person is happy and healthy.

I'm a bit confused by the anti-corporate take sometimes. I think the human lives are all that matter, fuck corporate greed - but when everyone is months away from losing jobs due to runway-like funding models.. it seems unfair.

Am i off base? I imagine you're mostly thinking huge companies?

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by MathCodeLove »

samcoppervimes wrote: post #36
Jenk wrote: post #21

My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

You shouldn't read your employer's actions as uncaring. Ultimately it depends on where they are getting their money from. If that dries up, then there is no team anyway. I completely see your point, but I also see the difficulty your employer has. They can't just wait for the war to finish before getting their business going again.

I often wonder at the thought process of these people. Not attacking OP directly, but it seems incredibly self-centered and narrow-minded to think "Wow I cant believe this person didn't drop everything and completely abandon all responsibilities because of event X happening right now. They must be so selfish."

If anything, I would think its the opposite. Its a virtue and sign of strength and selflessness to be able to push past ones personal feelings and to continue to do what needs doing.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by horsawlarway »

nohankyou wrote: post #49
horsawlarway wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why that matters at all.

They only created the account to bump a request they had no involvement in. I could understand the original requestor asking for an update, but this is just some rando with no contributions to any project at all.

Again - who cares?

If they went to the trouble of creating an account just to bump this issue... they probably care about it. Asking for update is just as often a way to subtly say "Can I pick this up?" or "Is there a way I can help move this ticket?" or "There was a pr, is this not getting merged because you won't accept this changeset?"

You seem to be making a value judgement I just don't get - who fucking cares if it's just some rando - they were all random people when they started the thread...

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by nohankyou »

horsawlarway wrote: post #74
nohankyou wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only created the account to bump a request they had no involvement in. I could understand the original requestor asking for an update, but this is just some rando with no contributions to any project at all.

Again - who cares? If they went to the trouble of creating an account just to bump this issue... they probably care about it. Asking for update is just as often a way to subtly say "Can I pick this up?" or "Is there a way I can help move this ticket?" or "There was a pr, is this not getting merged because you won't accept this changeset?" You seem to be making a value judgement I just don't get - who fucking cares if…

Lazy people who just want stuff done for free, now.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by dragonwriter »

bnt wrote: post #69
Jenk wrote: post #21

My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

The day after the invasion, I was flabbergasted by how much people don’t give a sh t. My Twitter feed was (and still is) people announcing their new ventures, doing their usual marketing, posting their vacay pics etc. Social media destroyed humanity. I deleted my Reddit after 14 years after I saw pics of burned bodies from Ukraine on a random SFW sub with folks making fun of people dying. Fu k this war and all who th…

> The day after the invasion, I was flabbergasted by how much people don’t give a sht. My Twitter feed was (and still is) people announcing their new ventures, doing their usual marketing, posting their vacay pics etc.

Your Twitter feed reflects your active choices in who to follow and what to interact with. My Twitter feed has been largely dominated with the invasion since it occurred (though there are a couple other things that are also notable still).

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by zuppy »

danpat wrote: post #46
Jenk wrote: post #21

My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

My company is in a similar situation - have large teams in several eastern European cities (primarily Minsk), and a few long-term remote teammates in Ukraine. A couple have fled (from Kyiv) with children, others are worried about being conscripted. It makes me want to vomit just thinking about it. I'm amazed many of them are still on Slack and making PRs. We're fortunate some of our leadership has quite close ties to…

> “I'm amazed many of them are still on Slack and making PRs.”

I was talking with a friend yesterday about his teammates from Ukraine (we’re both outside Ukraine). They said that working is the only thing keeping them sane. This allows them to stop focusing every second at the war outside their homes.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by zhte415 »

dionys wrote: post #52
Jenk wrote: post #21

My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

I'm feeling the same. Two of my teammates are in Ukraine right now. Bosses are now talking about hiring new people to keep up with the workload. And this is the same meeting where my boss said we have a lot of work, but nothing critical. All the systems are running fine, no major bugs recently, the work is purely adding new features. And they're ready to replace them after ~4 days. It just makes me think we are all a…

Succession planning. Disaster recovery planning. We should have these.

Not having them can lead to hasty, unwise decisions. They should include prioritising tasks and cascades/durations of fall over.

There's not necessarily reason they mean dropping anyone either. Even if exclusively looking at a financial impact there are costs of switching, costs that might be low for a server needing restoring to high for acquiring knowledge specific to your field or product, or a whole lot in between, for example.

Just have a plan. If you don't, be aware of potential for flawed decisions made in haste.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by jonathanlydall »

matsemann wrote: post #45

I remember many years ago, being 16 or so, playing WoW. My guild was having a raid, and suddenly one person writes "g2g, riots". It was a weird feeling, suddenly something that was so long away on the news suddenly felt much closer. At least for me, the internet and the connections it has given me, have made me much more empathetic to other's struggles around the world.

Not as serious, but super surreal from the other side too.

When my pregnant wife was feeling a bit uncomfortable, I sent a chat message to my Team that I need to pop out and expect to be back within a couple of hours (not giving reasons).

An hour later I messaged to say our baby was arriving 10 weeks premature and didn’t know when I’d back at computer.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Post by [deleted] »

dilDDoS wrote: post #14

As if the pointless prodding of “any updates? :)” is ever called for. If there were any updates, there would be fucking updates posted. I frequently get comments like this in projects they I maintain, sometimes less than a day after the issue was opened, and it does nothing but annoy me and make me not want to resolve their issue. Why is there an expectation that maintainers have infinite amounts of time to fix whate…

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