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Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by threatofrain »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #36
nickpp wrote: post #11

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No one wants any harm to the Russian people, but they too must do something to stop their madman. I know it is much more dangerous for them than for us keyboard pundits, but it is their responsibility. Think how much more dangerous it is for Ukrainians.

Yeah, and see how you want to help them to fight against Putin - you block their access to GitHub to make them lose their jobs. Without the money - do you think they will go fight on the streets? No, they will look for other ways to feed their families. If they are isolated, they will have no other choice than start working on government. By action like this, you are just turning into enemies those who want to be on…

So when are economic sanctions appropriate? Never? Because economic sanctions are meant to hurt people so much that regime instability becomes a story.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by ginko »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #69
ginko wrote: post #62

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I don't get your point, actually. Of course the US or Israel won't boycott themselves.

Sure, but let me give you an example of what I mean: "The consensus view of the international community is that Israeli settlements are illegal and constitute a violation of international law." [0] Yet, have you seen any western govt demand sanctions on the Israeli population for that? Have you seen this guy here demand github be banned for all Israelis? Of course not - and that's just the moral double standards I'm…

There's been plenty of calls within the EU to ban trade of goods made in Israeli settlements. AFAIK the latest news it that the EU courts ruled in favor of a ban.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by spicyusername »

yaris wrote: post #30

As it has already been noted in the issue’s comments - this move won’t affect Putin’s supporters (yes, they exist in Russia and they aren’t just a few freaks), it won’t even affect the majority of those living in Russia. The most affected group will be young-middle aged educated people who are interacting with the rest of the world (ad opposed to the rest who can be fed any BS by state TV) and who are mostly in oppos…

We all share responsibility for the actions of our governments.

When a state behaves inappropriately, it is the responsibility of it's citizens to correct it and prevent it from happening again.

This applies equally to the transgressions of the United States as it does to Russia.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by pg_1234 »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #9

Interesting how fast people lose all compassion and sympathy, and really humanity, towards a whole population which itself might be against what it's leaders are doing ... Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population for the many, well-known war crimes their leaders have committed and still are.

Interesting how fast you lost all compassion and sympathy for the innocent civilians getting killed by Russia in the Ukraine ... assuming you ever had any.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by Anonymous4272 »

sneak wrote: post #48
Anonymous4272 wrote: post #15

But does this not impact ALL russians including those protesting against putin? Also, does this not go against the entire FOSS philosophy- free as in libre and free as in gratis?

It is worth noting that GitHub is not, and has never been, free software. It is likely an error to assume that GitHub's operators have "foss philosophy", especially given that GitHub is owned by the people who sell Windows and Office and Xbox.

I am aware github itself is not foss. But the vast majority of FOSS projects hosted on github make github a big FOSS place, and by blocking their access (and asking for them to be blocked) is denying access to a lot of FOSS

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by alkonaut »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #9

Interesting how fast people lose all compassion and sympathy, and really humanity, towards a whole population which itself might be against what it's leaders are doing ... Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population for the many, well-known war crimes their leaders have committed and still are.

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Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by alkonaut »

willcipriano wrote: post #24
astonex wrote: post #10

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That still doesn't explain why we are free from santions in the US. Why aren't we expected to overthrow our warmongering leaders? WMD turned out to be just as credible as Putin's Nazis.

You are! But you (still) have elections to do it in.

Are there any politicians in particular from the WMD era you think should be ousted?

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by alkonaut »

Cut everything. This is probably among the less effective sanctions as its probably not affecting Putin supporters or anyone in power but more osint volunteers and similar.

But do cut off civilian exports to Russia such as airplane parts. Ten time zones is a big place once the Boeings and Airbuses (90%+ of fleets?) are grounded for maintenance.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by splix »

nickpp wrote: post #52
wetpaws wrote: post #16

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Russia is a huge totalitarian prison and nobody can do much without being arrested or murdered.

There are ways to protest without risking arrest: walkouts and silent vigils. Nobody will arrest people simply walking on the streets in silence. Imagine the power of rivers of people covering the Russian city streets at the same time, simply walking in silence. No signs, no screaming, no pushing against police - just walking. It would send a strong signal to the leadership with minimal danger to the protesters.

You kidding? That's exactly what have been happening in Russia, or Belarus. When there is a larger crowd on the street that it supposed to be and it shows some signs that it's politically motivated, the police starts to catch people, like any random person. Because it doesn't matter who you put to jail. It made like that to send a signal so everyone sees that them could be next simply by going outside.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by bradgessler »

richardfey wrote: post #13

This would be very similar to limiting email to and from Russia. A bad idea. Put a permanent Ukrainian colour theme on GitHub and a page explaining that GitHub condemns the act instead. They might block it anyways because it can be used to share information, so that is not a concern.

Also on every git push, display a message in the users console that condemns Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine.
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