Why the Ukraine Crisis is the West's Fault (2014) [pdf]

Post by acadapter » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 5:57 PM UTC

taylodl wrote: post #70

The crux of the argument is since the West is expanding NATO then it's the West's fault. Excuse me - what does national sovereignty mean? If the Ukraine desires to join NATO and NATO desires to have the Ukraine join then that's the Ukraine's prerogative as a sovereign nation. It's also Russia's prerogative to invade a sovereign nation, but they should fully expect to pay a price for that - up to and including all-out…

Post by gutitout » Sat, Feb 26, 2022, 8:12 AM UTC

glogla wrote: post #62

wonnage wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are very much missing this point; there is no value judgement here over what "should" be happening. There has always been clear red line; if NATO is attacked, we're starting WWIII. If a non-NATO friendly country is attacked, we'll complain loudly and declare sanctions. Ukraine is not in NATO and we should've behaved accordingly (i.e, not sponsor a coup)

"We" (whoever that is) did not "sponsor a coup". Stop spreading misinformation. What happened was that the Ukrainian people were sick of Russian puppet and kicked him out - at great cost, he murdered a lot of them.