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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by GeckoEidechse »

digitallyfree wrote: post #12

I would expect such a service to ban hosting services on the "private" plan, or have strict conditions on what is considered acceptable use. However I see nothing of that sort in their contracts with the exception of this line in their Contractual Conditions. "3. Fair Use Policy The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanentl…

While you could use it for hosting a business, I wouldn't recommend doing so without some business plan that offers SLA.

I might be incredibly unlucky but I had two major multi day downtimes with Init7 (neither their fault).

If you depend on your internet as part of your business, make sure you have a plan for when it might fall out.

On that note, I'm hosting my own personal fileserver over that connection and the public IPv4 address has not changed once in the two years I've been using them so far ^^

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by dcow »

was_a_dev wrote: post #63
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #53

25 Gbit sounds nice, but even my 1 Gbit line is mostly wasted. I use a Raspberry Pi as my torrent box which seems to cap out at 7 MB/sec write speed. Even Steam tends to only download at 30-50 MB/sec most of the time. People tend to grossly overestimate how much bandwidth they need, especially non-technical people. Even a 100 Mbit connection is more than capable of letting a family of five all stream Netflix at the s…

I currently pay for 78Mbps for myself and my partner. At most I am going to downloading something from steam (~10Mbps), watching something from YouTube (~10Mbps) and my partner will be streaming something to the TV (~10Mbps) Even at this extreme there's still ample headroom, and our rate is ISP limited; so the line can do much more.

I have a 1G symmetric line and with a fast enough disk write setup I can hit ~108MB/s for Steam downloads and still be on video calls and stream content simultaneously (different people usually). It’s definitely not wasted for us.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by bombcar »

hak8or wrote: post #22
xattt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

Mikrotik makes some very capable routers. The Rb4011 is incredibly powerful and very low power, and has an SFP+ port, so you can use a sfp+ to rj45 if needed, or straight modem -> sfp+ connection, to get faster than 1 gig speeds. It has a steep learning curve though, albeit it's extremely rewarding and powerful once you gwr over that curve. It should handle routing 1 gig with zero issues, and is under $200. You can d…

I have that router, and it can do up to about 2.5Gb/s with actual routing. I have it on a 10GBe direct connect to my "main" 4 port switch, but that just means it can take in multiple unrouted LAN segments.

Once you start doing much esoteric the speed slows down, if you get off the fast path it can be pretty intense (thought they do sell bigger ones that can route more packets).

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by radicality »

xattt wrote: post #15
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

I’m using this for a symmetrical 1Gbs line https://protectli.com/vault-6-port/

Running opnsense on it, and it’s doing fine and saturates the line when I’m maxing out downloads. For comparison, the isp (Verizon) router was consistently around 100Mb/s less than this one.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by was_a_dev »

dcow wrote: post #72
was_a_dev wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I currently pay for 78Mbps for myself and my partner. At most I am going to downloading something from steam (~10Mbps), watching something from YouTube (~10Mbps) and my partner will be streaming something to the TV (~10Mbps) Even at this extreme there's still ample headroom, and our rate is ISP limited; so the line can do much more.

I have a 1G symmetric line and with a fast enough disk write setup I can hit ~108MB/s for Steam downloads and still be on video calls and stream content simultaneously (different people usually). It’s definitely not wasted for us.

From what I can tell, with Steam, I limited by the datacenter itself. I have friends in my local area, and also nearer the same datacenter, all on much higher bandwidths and write speed, but still hit 10Mbps at best.

Saying that, I am no Steam power-user. Most games will be At this point, I have no services or use cases for anything faster.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by deeviant »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #53

25 Gbit sounds nice, but even my 1 Gbit line is mostly wasted. I use a Raspberry Pi as my torrent box which seems to cap out at 7 MB/sec write speed. Even Steam tends to only download at 30-50 MB/sec most of the time. People tend to grossly overestimate how much bandwidth they need, especially non-technical people. Even a 100 Mbit connection is more than capable of letting a family of five all stream Netflix at the s…

I dunno, I'm downloading from steam at 89 MB/s right now and I'm pretty sure I'm the limiting factor there.

Both my wife and I work from home and are on video conferencing a good portion of the day. I also build locally and push artifacts to the cloud and those clock in at 10+ gigs from some classes of devices and I obviously have to wait for them to build and upload before I can test (yes we have a full CI pipeline but during crunch time it gets smashed and I can be waiting in line for hours, or build it myself in 10 minutes). All things individually don't require such a large pipe, but they add up, quick.

25 is probably overkill, but I would take 10 in a second.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by notimetorelax »

xattt wrote: post #15
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

I got Zyxel AX7501-B0 it supports SPF+ module for 10g/s and has 10g/s for your main device or hotspot and 4 1g/s ports.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #57
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it isn't too hard to get consumer-grade 2.5Gb hardware

Any recommendations? I’m currently using a Protect CLI 4 port vault running PFSense. Want to replace it with a 2.5gb or higher device but I can’t find anything.

I don't have any specific recs - I've just seen desktop motherboards with 2.5Gb/s and my boring standard AT&T fiber box has a 2.5Gb/s LAN port on it.

If you're already running a device like that Protectli then maybe you'd be comfortable building a small-form-factor PC with a 2 port 2.5Gb/s ethernet card (around $40) and running it to a 4-port 2.5Gb/s switch (around $125 for this TRENDnet one I see on Amazon). You could even install PFSense on the PC and keep your setup mostly unchanged.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by baybal2 »

throw0101a wrote: post #61
wyager wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fiber is quite future proof To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for ev…

> If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE. OS2 is not needed for most homes. Use multi-mode fibre (OM4 or OM5), which can do 25-100 Gbps @100m (or more): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-mode_optical_fiber You'd have to have quite a house to need internal runs longer than 100m (300'). For runs up to 100m: 2.5 Gbps can be done with Cat5e, 5G with Cat6, and 10G with C…

Multimode fibre is expensive, and quicky dying.

I never seen it used outside North America.

The biggest reason to use multimode - cheaper equipment, is no longer here. High-end multimode NICs, and transmitters now cost more than SMF.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by notimetorelax »

bombcar wrote: post #73
hak8or wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mikrotik makes some very capable routers. The Rb4011 is incredibly powerful and very low power, and has an SFP+ port, so you can use a sfp+ to rj45 if needed, or straight modem -> sfp+ connection, to get faster than 1 gig speeds. It has a steep learning curve though, albeit it's extremely rewarding and powerful once you gwr over that curve. It should handle routing 1 gig with zero issues, and is under $200. You can d…

I have that router, and it can do up to about 2.5Gb/s with actual routing. I have it on a 10GBe direct connect to my "main" 4 port switch, but that just means it can take in multiple unrouted LAN segments. Once you start doing much esoteric the speed slows down, if you get off the fast path it can be pretty intense (thought they do sell bigger ones that can route more packets).

I like that Mikrotik are very transparent about it. On their site they publish performance test results in various configurations.
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