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The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by easton »

electroly wrote: post #64
alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

winget is protected as it's providing the API for the Microsoft Store to manage Win32 apps. I think there's been a decent amount of adoption, there's lots of install pages (Git is one I noticed recently) that have winget install right next to brew install.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by stjohnswarts »

pengwing wrote: post #61

As founder and main developer of a product, I feel that both the first suggestion of an aqui-hire and the second suggestion of getting a regular job at MSFT are completely ludicrous. Far too weak. Framing this as becoming an employee at MSFT directly establishes a position of inferiority. This should have been about a licensing deal with the option to purchase some premium support on top to facilitate the integration…

Yeah unless you are a Kernighan or Torvalds or Vanrossum aqui-hire doesn't seem like a real thing because middle management can never stand to have someone who isn't 100% under their power.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by electroly »

easton wrote: post #71
electroly wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

winget is protected as it's providing the API for the Microsoft Store to manage Win32 apps. I think there's been a decent amount of adoption, there's lots of install pages (Git is one I noticed recently) that have winget install right next to brew install.

That's an interesting bit about the Microsoft Store; I didn't know that. Thanks!

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#74

Post by stjohnswarts »

joshu wrote: post #62

I had a similar story with Yahoo but rejected the job offer. A few years later they had to buy the company anyway.

Yeah this is a learning lesson no doubt. Management of a company can never put up with a person who isn't 100% under their control. Only the top 0.001% of developers will get away with that. Better to realize they want what you have and you have to figure out some way to get a handle on that or realize like this poor guy in a year some internal team has copied what you did and they have 100x the resources that you have.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

electroly wrote: post #64
alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

> I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of WinGet in the market.

Because it's an terrible implementation of a package management. Don't get me wrong, it's better than nothing but still...

For instance:

- we can't pin packages (there's an open issue for God knows how long) Problem with that is that if you do "winget upgrade --all" it will upgrade all your programs even those that you don't want to upgrade. The alternative is simply upgrading one by one.

- Some programs have a problem with their version (GOG Galaxy for instance). Winget simply doesn’t know that there’s no newer version available and keep trying to upgrade everytime you do “winget upgrade –all”. This, in turn, make the previous point more annoying as I can’t say to winget ignore “GOG Galaxy” and upgrade all the other packages.

- Some programs are downloaded from websites that are probably heavily throttling downloads from winget, this make downloading qbittorrent (20mb) takes a LONG time and usually failing.

I have no idea of how to fix these issues as I'm just a user but there's a stark difference between using windows winget and apt or pacman.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by CRConrad »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #75
electroly wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

> I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of WinGet in the market. Because it's an terrible implementation of a package management. Don't get me wrong, it's better than nothing but still... For instance: - we can't pin packages (there's an open issue for God knows how long) Problem with that is that if you do "winget upgrade --all" it will upgrade…

> Problem with that is that if you do "winget upgrade --all" it will upgrade all your programs even those that you don't want to upgrade. The alternative is simply upgrading one by one.

Well, TBF, that's exactly what "winget upgrade --all" sounds like it should do.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

a2tech wrote: post #5

Don’t ever forget that at its core Microsoft is still the same company we grew up with. Just because they’re singing sweet songs now doesn’t mean they’re fundamentally different. I know that there are a lot of developers on here that disagree with me and are all in on the ‘new’ Microsoft. I can’t change your mind. Ive watched Microsoft since the early 90s though and they’ve never really changed—-and buying GitHub and…

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#79

Post by alias_neo »

electroly wrote: post #64
alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

Admittedly I don't have any experience with this sort of thing, but I have always read it as; Microsoft want his work, they should have just paid him X million for it, or paid him to keep working on it.

Instead, they made it into some sort of interview, got all of his input then went off and copy-paste'd the code (an exaggeration) into WinGet and ghosted him.

To add insult to injury he got a nice little "fuck you" the day before they released it.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by CRConrad »

Shared404 wrote: post #54
luciusdomitius wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well. Cold reality is that even 5-year old kids know what sort of company MSFT is and what sort of people work for them. He acted like an useful fool, got treated like one. I even smirked a bit at his misery, even though I am normally not that kind of person. Had he instead reacted to the phone call with some extremely aggressive licensing, maybe even a software patent, now he would be discussing the terms of the out…

> Cold reality is that even 5-year old kids know what sort of company MSFT is and what sort of people work for them. Mate, 80% of college students don't know that. Source: Work at a computer repair shop and see shocked faces.

Then again most five-year-olds seem smarter than most college students.
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