I have an idea: Use their cookies against them. Build a plugin that anonymously and randomly swaps cookie values amongst the people using it.
Could possible make use of telehash.org or like.
Logging out of Facbook is not enough
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Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get why it's a big deal if Facebook knows who you're going to vote for or what brands you might buy. I suppose that because people buy or vote for what they're told to buy or vote for, this will let those wanting to influence people more effectively spend their money. But the solution to that is not AdBlock, it's education. Smarter people mean less susceptibility to manipulation, which is what we are really t…
> I don't get why it's a big deal if Facebook knows who you're going to vote for or what brands you might buy. It depends on who buys the data and / or the interpretation of that data from them. Just imagine a country like China buying it to predict who will become a subversive and arresting them before anything happens, something akin to pre-cog crime. When I think about it, we can probably aleady do this somewhat a…
So the reason why Americans shouldn't use Facebook is because it's possible that some rogue government somewhere might oppress its people? Those governments seem to be doing a pretty good job already without Facebook's help.
Then there's the argument that in 30 years the US will be one of these countries, too. I wonder why people are so afraid of this, but not of the small chance that they'll be hit by a meteor when they go outside tomorrow to go to work. They've been hit by a meteor exactly as many times as their government has used a "social graph" to oppress them, after all.
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you elaborate? I routinely run with only direct cookies permitted (no third party ones) and with all cookies except those I have explicitly whitelisted being deleted each time my browser is closed. I am not aware of any problem this has caused me for a long time, including on the sites you mentioned. Maybe there is some useful feature I'm not seeing at all because of the cookie restrictions I impose, but maybe…
> maybe they've just got better over time at not relying on cookies for things they shouldn't? It may be that. I just tried and Twitter is working perfectly without third-party cookies. Some months ago it didn't allow me to login. With Google I had a similar problem, I couldn't login into my Google Account in sites that weren't the search engine (Docs, YouTube, etc). I just tried them, and again, it seems that it wor…
I would suspect it has something to do with Safari (Mobile at least) having third party cookies disabled by default.
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't get why it's a big deal if Facebook knows who you're going to vote for or what brands you might buy. It depends on who buys the data and / or the interpretation of that data from them. Just imagine a country like China buying it to predict who will become a subversive and arresting them before anything happens, something akin to pre-cog crime. When I think about it, we can probably aleady do this somewhat a…
So the reason why Americans shouldn't use Facebook is because it's possible that some rogue government somewhere might oppress its people? Those governments seem to be doing a pretty good job already without Facebook's help. Then there's the argument that in 30 years the US will be one of these countries, too. I wonder why people are so afraid of this, but not of the small chance that they'll be hit by a meteor when…
To be fair, the San Francisco BART protests come to mind when you talk about recent examples of government oppression. On the other hand, I don't know of anyone who has been hit by a meteor.
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#75The cookie 'act' that Nik identifies as his account number is actually an extended UNIX timestamp.
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#76If you're a Firefox user and you'd rather whitelist known good actors, than blacklist known bad actors, as per this example. Install the RequestPolicy addon.
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#77Let me get this straight, this guy posts about how logging out of Facebook isn't enough, and how Facebook learning things about you that you don't want it to. The majority reaction is to adblock them and disallow them to do that to you.
But this isn't right. Go on Facebook and tell me how many of your friends wouldn't even know the first thing to do with one of these extensions. So now the computer literate people know how to protect their privacy, but what about everyone else?
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
not that I want to turn this into a pissing contest, but I emailed this to them on the 14th of November 2010. I emailed them again on the 12th of January this year. I have been sitting on it for that long. I updated my post to make that clear, that this is an issue that is almost a year old.
Normally the security@ team is very responsive, and not that hard to find: https://www.facebook.com/security As for your specific claim about cookies, there is a little checkbox labeled "Keep me logged in" or "Remember me" on the login page. If you don't trust the terminal, don't check that box. Leaving it unchecked will set the personally identifiable cookies to expire at the end of your browser session. This is the…
He's talking about after having clicked "log out". I don't think the "keep me logged in" button factors in here (though I could be wrong).
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#79Let me get this straight, this guy posts about how logging out of Facebook isn't enough, and how Facebook learning things about you that you don't want it to. The majority reaction is to adblock them and disallow them to do that to you. But this isn't right. Go on Facebook and tell me how many of your friends wouldn't even know the first thing to do with one of these extensions. So now the computer literate people kn…
Because the majority reaction to any HN post is a technical pissing contest you have to learn to ignore if you want to glean anything interesting from the thread. If you're not interested in that, or in showing-off your own geeky credentials, then you're mostly wasting your time participating in an HN "discussion".
Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
not that I want to turn this into a pissing contest, but I emailed this to them on the 14th of November 2010. I emailed them again on the 12th of January this year. I have been sitting on it for that long. I updated my post to make that clear, that this is an issue that is almost a year old.
Normally the security@ team is very responsive, and not that hard to find: https://www.facebook.com/security As for your specific claim about cookies, there is a little checkbox labeled "Keep me logged in" or "Remember me" on the login page. If you don't trust the terminal, don't check that box. Leaving it unchecked will set the personally identifiable cookies to expire at the end of your browser session. This is the…
this has nothing to do with 'keep me logged in' and as I mentioned in the post I contacted a number of facebook contracts a number of times (including the standard security report track) and never heard back