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Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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There are more efficient modes of running that aren't really available when walking, and any experienced marathoner knows how to exploit this. It took me years of occasional running before it all clicked, despite more experienced friends having shared youtube videos on the subject. I'd always been running in a fashion more like a slowed down sprint when trying to pace myself. But that's not the efficient way, the eff…

Is heel striking bad? I am not a runner, but I've practiced heel striking while backpacking to give myself more foot-stamina. Maybe there's a better way?

In a running gait, a heal strike usually means you are hitting the ground with a straighter leg so more of the energy is going through joins instead of being absorbed by muscles and other squishier bits. This can lead to excess wear to your knees and other joints which over time (especially if you don't give yourself enough recovery and healing time after hard training periods) can lead to permanent problems.

Also, as well as the shock to your body of absorbing the impact energy this way, it is less efficient: if your more springy bits absorb the energy instead of your solid structure, then they can release some of it back in a useful direction as you push off again with that foot making it easier for you to maintain the same pace. On top of that, because the “stop” of each stride is less abrupt less energy is lost to entropy through your flesh jiggling because of inertia.

I'm pretty sure this is all different for a walking pace though, which would explain you seeing a benefit from the opposite advice. With a walking gait your forward momentum is provided & maintained by the foot rolling over the floor and pushing sideways against it, rather than striking and pushing away from it like in a sprint, with running being somewhere between (running and springing are different as much as running and walking are: a sprint is a period of acceleration or maintaining top speed, a running posture is for efficiently maintaining a cruising speed or more slowly accelerating - the mechanics, while similar, have key differences).

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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For someone who is trying to return to regular walking/running, I find a mix of both works well for me. Stretch and start walking faster to warm your body up, run until your heart/legs don't want to go anymore, resume walking to recover and then run again and so on. I find that doing this creates less resistance in my mind because I'm more attentive/easy going with my body and the overall session is less punishing -…

Funny, when I was a boy scout I was taught alternating between running and walking by the name of "Wolfsmarsch" (wolve's march). I've been told it's supposed to be a happy compromise between moving fast and being able to keep moving for a prolonged period of time.

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

#73
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Couch to 5K (C25K) is another run/walk training program, which is very popular here in the UK. Even the NHS ( https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/couch-to-5k-week-by-we... ) promotes it. I started with a C25K plan in November 2020 and ran my first half marathon in October 2021. I'm looking at marathons now, it's changed my level of fitness far more than I could imagine.

I may start long jogging sessions to see if I can break the 20km threshold. Any advices?

You would need much more than just long jogging sessions to go to 20km, like tempo runs, strength, power etc. My advice is to do:

1. Couch to 5K

2. Beginner 5K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/5k-training/novi...

3. Beginner 10K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/10k-training/nov...

4. Intermediate 10K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/10k-training/int...

5. Intermediate 21K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/half-marathon-tr...

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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I think this is the paper I read about this a while ago. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7481300_Preferred_T...

The original article was notable for its lack of graphs or citations to the literature. Thanks for posting this link, Figure 1 of which seems to make a lot more sense than the U-shaped discussion in the original article.

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may start long jogging sessions to see if I can break the 20km threshold. Any advices?

You would need much more than just long jogging sessions to go to 20km, like tempo runs, strength, power etc. My advice is to do: 1. Couch to 5K 2. Beginner 5K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/5k-training/novi... 3. Beginner 10K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/10k-training/nov... 4. Intermediate 10K https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/10k-training/int... 5. Intermediate 21K https://www.…

I made a 17km long ago without issues (only local slowdowns) but my body was different, hence my question.

Thanks for the links.

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couch to 5K (C25K) is another run/walk training program, which is very popular here in the UK. Even the NHS ( https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/couch-to-5k-week-by-we... ) promotes it. I started with a C25K plan in November 2020 and ran my first half marathon in October 2021. I'm looking at marathons now, it's changed my level of fitness far more than I could imagine.

I did a few 4 hour marathons in my early 20s, and in December I decided I was going to train for another one, after doing very little cardio for a long time. The run/walk approach has been great for me. I run for as long as I can, then walk 100m, run 400m… until I think I’m done. I’m getting through 10k in just over an hour now, and when I started I was struggling to mostly walk 5k.

I often did that. It's a nice feeling when you just walk-as-pause after a good run then when you're still warm and rested you feel the desire to resume the run :)

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

#77
post #9

There are more efficient modes of running that aren't really available when walking, and any experienced marathoner knows how to exploit this. It took me years of occasional running before it all clicked, despite more experienced friends having shared youtube videos on the subject. I'd always been running in a fashion more like a slowed down sprint when trying to pace myself. But that's not the efficient way, the eff…

I had knee and slight back pain, anf always tried to mechanically aim at the smoothest impact (landing on foot ball, ensure enough forward momentum) yet,unless a high enough speed, I found it harder on my joints. To the point where jogging heel striking like a newb felt nicer. I'm still dumbfounded.

It takes months to years for bones and non muscle tissue to adapt to new stresses. Took me 1 year of regular runs to adapt to non heel strikes, but it happens eventually.

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

#78
post #12

> You’ve probably seen it on TV multiple times. Exhausted, depleted of energy, and barely capable of taking another step, elite race walkers collapse as soon as they reach the finish line. I'm not sure if I have unusual TV habits or if the author is overestimating the amount of watch time and coverage race walking gets.

Tangential, how do organisers check if walkers didnt run at all?

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

#79
post #46

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Is heel striking bad? I am not a runner, but I've practiced heel striking while backpacking to give myself more foot-stamina. Maybe there's a better way?

Well, heel striking sends shocks through your spine, unless buffered via sufficiently springy shoes. If you have strong earmuffs, consider trying them while running, and you'll hear the shock if it travels up to your neck. Switching rapidly will probably cause injury, but I haven't heard about any sizable subset of the population being unable to adapt. Another helpful effect is that you don't need shoes to run if you…

> Another helpful effect is that you don't need shoes to run if you're toe-striking on a clean&smooth surface.

Yes, and your running shoes can last you a decade, instead of (half) a year.

Re: Time to run or time to walk? Your body knows the answer

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There are more efficient modes of running that aren't really available when walking, and any experienced marathoner knows how to exploit this. It took me years of occasional running before it all clicked, despite more experienced friends having shared youtube videos on the subject. I'd always been running in a fashion more like a slowed down sprint when trying to pace myself. But that's not the efficient way, the eff…

Is heel striking bad? I am not a runner, but I've practiced heel striking while backpacking to give myself more foot-stamina. Maybe there's a better way?

Some studies suggest a lot of competitive high level runners heel strike. I am not sure if any elite runners do, I've checked quite a few and I am yet to see one.

I think it's about foot under your body not in front. You may land slightly in front but the moment there is weight on the foot it should be under your body. The other way of phrasing it is make your stride longer behind you, not in front of you. Apparently some people still heel strike just a bit when doing that but when you watch slow motion footage of them it's not immediately obvious which part of the foot hits the ground first.

For me personally heel striking is very unnatural. I needed to learn to run again after my knee surgery and anything but forefoot strike hurt a lot. Today it just feels very natural to me. I am not afraid of hurting my knees anymore, if anything Achilles tendon and muscles around ankles are things I sometimes worry about. Fortunately no serious injuries yet!

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