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UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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I have a gut feeling this is a lead balloon, meant to be shot down so that other stuff can pass untouched. This type of bill is typically full of horrible little clauses that would never clear Parliament on their own, but if you bag enough of them together, pushing them all at the same time, eventually some will make it through.

I think you mean Lead Zeppelin...

That would be Led Zeppelin...

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#72
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People don’t realize how invasive the UK govt is when it comes to internet monitoring. Today if you try to access adult content on a UK mobile device you get blocked by age verification. You have to call your mobile provider and prove your age (it’s a once-per-contract thing). One of the ways you can prove your age is with a credit card. But I imagine it’s a large deterrent because not many people want to call Vodafo…

Porn and gambling (and possibly more - we filter and block 18+ sites, as classified by the BBFC British Board of Film Classification) is blocked on mobile data connections - as far as I can recall this has been the situation since the turn of the century.

In effect, this proposal already exists for mobile data connections. Add this to what is enabled by the snoopers charter, and the use of this information accross governement and it is a pretty grim state.

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#73
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a credit card to watch age-restricted videos on YouTube.

It's a Google thing, in some cases ( probably A/B testing), and it has nothing to do with the EU.

No, it's not a Google thing. It was mandated by the EU. https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/using-technology-more-c...

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People don’t realize how invasive the UK govt is when it comes to internet monitoring. Today if you try to access adult content on a UK mobile device you get blocked by age verification. You have to call your mobile provider and prove your age (it’s a once-per-contract thing). One of the ways you can prove your age is with a credit card. But I imagine it’s a large deterrent because not many people want to call Vodafo…

This is not true – AFAIK literally every major mobile provide offers this as a simple on-off toggle in their app or on their account management site.

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This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

I'm pretty sure that it was the leader of the opposition who was photographed drinking beers with his colleagues during lockdown, and everyone seems to have bought the claim that was work related and therefore legal. Boris and his colleagues were drinking wine. The big reason that he's on his 9th and last political life is increasingly cynical attacks on him over the handling of Covid - for context, one of the most recent ones is accusing him of "wasting" billions of pounds on PPE because the government ended up buying more PPE than it actually ended up using and the price dropped since then. The consequences of undereestimating this or overestimating future availability are of course that doctors and nurses don't have the protection they need, and there were a bunch of earlier attacks on the government for not having a massive PPE stockpike (which would waste billions on PPE that'd just be thrown away). Even the nominally trusted and non-political BBC, which everyone thinks of as a government mouthpiece, ran with this and all the other attack lines, including stuff like lying about what South Korea had achieved with contact tracing to make the UK scheme sound like an expensive failure and Boris's bragging about it like lies. It's impossible to disentangle the anger over the parties from the misinformation people have been fed about the UK's Covid response; they seem closely intertwined in most people's thinking.

To give some further idea of how cynical all this is, the people who actually organised the supposed parties which are supposed to end Boris' career - the vast majority of which he doesn't even seem to have been involved in - are just scapegoats according to the media reporting, including the BBC. And at least one of the claimed parties Boris was involved was actually reported by a major newspaper the day after, back when lockdown was still on and people's relatives were still dying alone in hospital, and no-one seemed to conclude it was obviously an illegal party or even really care back then - and that was the one for Boris's birthday.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact they keep trying despite repeatedly being humiliated by market realities, though, indicates the lobbying pressure by pro-censorship groups is quite high. This is bound to produce something eventually.

Are they being humiliated though? Feels like they get lots of press when announcing this kind of stuff which sits well with some target part of the electorate, then when the whole thing gets abandoned it happens with almost no attention. The current government seems to be well aware that most of the time announcing a policy has a much higher ROI than actually implementing one (cf all the times pre-existing spending c…

If you say you're going to do this often enough, and keep getting thwarted for whatever reason, eventually you won't have much credibility with anyone.

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#77
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a credit card to watch age-restricted videos on YouTube.

Sorry, which videos? I mean it really, I'm from EU and have never found one. To watch some videos I have to login but have never ever asked me for a credit card that I recall. I'd like to know.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5GDrJEGkVk

I suppose if you have verified your age in the past (for example if you bought something from the play store?) then you can watch the video freely. Try and watch it while logged off.

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post #75

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

I'm pretty sure that it was the leader of the opposition who was photographed drinking beers with his colleagues during lockdown, and everyone seems to have bought the claim that was work related and therefore legal. Boris and his colleagues were drinking wine. The big reason that he's on his 9th and last political life is increasingly cynical attacks on him over the handling of Covid - for context, one of the most r…

As to your first point, the police have completed an investigation into the beer in question and found no offence committed, so it's not the same as the 12 (IIRC) parties that happened at 10 downing street, currently under investigation by the met.

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post #63

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

It's good not to underestimate the situation though - few things are as dangerous as a desperate government. If they can start wars to divert attention, they can certainly force bad laws. This goes double in the UK, where the executive is effectively all-powerful in practice since the Blair reforms.

> few things are as dangerous as a desperate government. If they can start wars to divert attention, they can certainly force bad laws

To support this, see Turkey and Russia for current examples.

The usual dying government cycles between "we are now super nationalistic and everyone who doesn't join us are terrorists" and "but think about the children!!11" like clockwork.

The damage these cause lives much longer than the creators. It totally makes sense to tread with care.

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This feels like it could be resolved by technology. I am happy to identify myself to government entity A to prove my age, but I don't want A to know what sites I visit. I want to visit site B, but I don't want to identify myself. Is there no API that will allow B to verify my age via A, without A finding out what site B is, and without B finding out anything more than my age bracket?

There are privacy preserving technologies that can do this. See the work of Jan Camenisch for example: https://jan.camenisch.org But I doubt anything so well thought out would be implemented for this. Current government suggestions are credit card checks, checking identity against government passport records, or your mobile phone service provider. I don't even understand the mobile phone one. My son has a mobile phon…

This might be a more helpful link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Anonymous_Attestation
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