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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by 999900000999 »

Grustaf wrote: post #61
999900000999 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree with you. On Android, you can side load, but you're warned if you destroy your life via some strange binary you found on the internet, that's on you. On iOS, it's more than a reasonable to say you're using an third-party payment service which is not subject to Apple security. If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. And if you're not tech savvy, then stick to usi…

It's not just fear mongering though. The risk that Apple will steal your credit card details is exactly zero. With a third-party it's definitely not zero, and there are plenty of people who are suspicious enough to barely trust Apple with their credit card.

I personally will probably stick to only using Apple payments, but I respect the right of others to want to use different payment systems.

Plus other payment providers, such as PayPal and stripe have their own dispute resolution processes.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by [deleted] »

Macha wrote: post #17
aeonflux wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supported side-loading is a thing on Android since day one? What innovation came out of this? Thousands of rip-off apps, all sort of malware pushed upon clueless users? I know, that some of those things are still a problem on iOS, but just imagine how worse this can gen, if they would be forced to open up the system for additional app stores.

Third party app stores cannot automatically update apps - each individual update requires going through a modal OS prompt to confirm. This harms the install experience on e.g. F-Droid or Amazon Store on non-Amazon devices.

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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by breakfastduck »

Not sure I see the issue here - if I'm subscribing to something on iOS I expect to be able to cancel it in 1 click from my subscription settings.

But apparently it should be fine to circumvent that AND not alert the user to the fact that's happening.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by amcoastal »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38
amcoastal wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Planned obsolescence is the entire backbone of the American economy. We could get rid of it in one fell swoop, but then basically every company in the country would go bankrupt and then the world. A sad state of affairs. Perhaps incremental improvements and clawing back of Right-to-Repair etc. can give us some semblence of not being facebooters, but also allow our shit-tier companies to adjust.

> Planned obsolescence is the entire backbone of the American economy Your response to a comment about decades-old cars still working is to pitch a planned-obsolescence conspiracy theory?

Let me know if your 2011 car lasts 20 years.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by tremon »

snowwrestler wrote: post #65
sschueller wrote: post #4

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

> Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! Microsoft’s antitrust case is frequently misunderstood. MS was a supplier to the companies that made and sold computers. They got in trouble for messing with other suppliers. Apple manufacturers and sells the computer. It’s not analogous.

Isn't Apple now similarly messing with suppliers of iOS apps?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by breakfastduck »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #63
Grustaf wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it can't just be that they actually want to be very clear to the user that Apple is not responsible for the experience?

When I buy an iPhone, I buy an iPhone using a third party payment provider. Apple do not smirk and infer that those payments are made through a provider they don't control. They take my money. They aren't just being "very clear", they are thumbing their nose at the regulator, and joyfully pissing in customer and developer chips as they do so. They are trolling the process. That is very clear.

So devs should be able to bypass desired features of iOS and not alert the user that they're doing so?

Becuase if I wasnt informed, and they took a subscription that I was then unable to cancel in 1 click from my iCloud subscription settings, I would be very annoyed. Shady.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by makerofthings »

drcongo wrote: post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

I think this is great, too. I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built would just go buy an Android phone and leave it alone. If you don’t like the AppStore, don’t buy an iPhone.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by drdebug »

FabHK wrote: post #50
throwaway22032 wrote: post #8

The whole ecosystem around Apple products seems to be a commitment to producing e-waste in the short-term. It's really bizarre. A 20 year old PC still works. It might be slow, but as long as it's 64-bit, you can run modern software. If it's older and 32-bit you might be struggling but it's at least theoretically possible. By contrast Apple seem hell-bent on creating this environment in which they control the software…

I have an iPad from 2013 that works just fine. It only runs iOS 12.5.5, so some modern apps using newer APIs one cannot install. But many things run perfectly ok, just a tad slow. And, if an app doesn't run, the App store offers to install the latest version still compatible with the OS, if available. I don't see how that's compatible with your claim that: > as soon as they stop supporting it, that's it, you now have…

I have a counter example, my ipad mini is effectively a brick, I can't install a modern browser on it because it's too old. period. Allowing external stores could definitely help make it work again.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by rzwitserloot »

Grustaf wrote: post #57
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

Because it can't just be that they actually want to be very clear to the user that Apple is not responsible for the experience?

The warning that apple forces you to add here insinuates that the thing you're going to is probably not safe and secure, which is ridiculous to _force_ app developers to do, and more importantly perhaps, that warning is all about apple.

It should be about the thing you're going to. Something like 'WARNING: You are being directed to payment provider 'X', please trust them before continuing with your payment' would (I think) be seen as far less hostile. That doesn't insinuate that what you're doing is unsafe, does make clear that apple has washed their hands of it, and isn't about apple: It's about X.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by rsstack »

snowwrestler wrote: post #65
sschueller wrote: post #4

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

> Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! Microsoft’s antitrust case is frequently misunderstood. MS was a supplier to the companies that made and sold computers. They got in trouble for messing with other suppliers. Apple manufacturers and sells the computer. It’s not analogous.

> MS was a supplier to the companies that made and sold computers. They got in trouble for messing with other suppliers.

Isn't this only true for the US antitrust case? IIRC the EU antitrust case was similar Apple's situation.

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