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Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by [deleted] »

nwiswell wrote: post #64
slibhb wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Making it harder for people to vote is literally voter suppression As I said upthread, it's "literally true but dishonest". Barring children from voting is literally voter suppression but calling it that is stupid. > I don't think you can argue that adding unnecessary steps to voting, and making penalties for making mistakes harsher while making it easier to make mistakes, is anything else. Reasonable people can di…

> Barring children from voting is literally voter suppression Actually, no, it's not. Maybe this is pedantic, but children are not, and have never been, putative voters and therefore are not being suppressed. Minority groups less likely to have IDs are voters, however. 8% of white Americans do not have government photo ID, whereas 25% of African-American citizens do not[1]. [1] https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter…

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Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by clairity »

MattGaiser wrote: post #45
slibhb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Between January 1 and December 7, at least 19 states passed 34 laws restricting access to voting [1]. This should be a concern for any American citizen with the right to vote; don’t turn this into some politicized drama. It is a politicized drama. Voter id laws are reasonable, the majority of Americans think so, and calling them "restricted access to voting" is literally true but dishonest. "Resistbot" (from "the r…

Voter ID laws are perfectly reasonable, so long as people can easily obtain ID. That is not the case. https://225egw40g2k99t0ud3pbf2ct-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...

no, whether id is easy to get or not is entirely beside the point. by constitution, we're decidedly not a papers-please nation, despite the slippery slope you seem to support.

voting should be plentiful, accessible, subsidized, and unimpeded, not gatekept, especially not by a surreptitous effort to implement national id.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by Trasmatta »

MattGaiser wrote: post #39
Trasmatta wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source on that? Don't they pretty much all just feed into the same channels these days?

Anecdotal, but this aligns with what I have heard from politicians. The important part is not the message, but rather the amount of effort put into the message. Someone using this bot puts in 2 minutes of effort and no money. Someone writing a letter puts in 20 minutes of time and a dollar for envelope and stamp. Someone who flies to D.C. and protests cares a lot more. Why? The flying protester will remember in two y…

Yeah, that makes sense, thanks for the insight.

I've always struggled with the best way to be politically active, because so many things feel pointless. I generally just vote and donate money.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by slg »

slibhb wrote: post #57
slg wrote: post #52

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>There is no solid evidence that voter id laws have any impact on voter turnout... Describing them as "voter restriction laws" is literally true but dishonest and dishonesty is bad. That argument goes both ways: There is no solid evidence that voter id laws have any impact on voter fraud... Describing them as "anti-voter fraud laws" is literally true but dishonest and dishonesty is bad. Plus the anti-voter id argumen…

> There is no solid evidence that voter id laws have any impact on voter fraud... Describing them as "anti-voter fraud laws" is literally true but dishonest and dishonesty is bad. Agreed. Republicans talking about widespread "voter fraud" are liars.

So why do you think these laws are “reasonable” to use your word if you admit that the primary reason people say we need them is a lie?

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by riedel »

kangaroozach wrote: post #65
gzer0 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first example I see is expanded access to voting rights. Since when did this become a partisan issue? Between January 1 and December 7, at least 19 states passed 34 laws restricting access to voting [1]. This should be a concern for any American citizen with the right to vote; don’t turn this into some politicized drama. Let me be clear; this is the very foundation of our democracy. I find it simply appalling tha…

Can you name a single modern or western country that doesn’t require ID to vote? As tech people here, we understand the concept of authentication and KYC. Even India and Mexico, Canada, All of Europe require ID to vote. The only argument against ID to vote in order to ensure only eligible voters and only 1 vote, is blatantly political. And if it’s racist, then so too must be any form of ID based covid passport which…

Germany [1]

[1] https://www-stuttgarter--nachrichten-de.translate.goog/inhal...

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by bigbillheck »

gzer0 wrote: post #35
honksillet wrote: post #33

All the examples on the splash page are current Democrat priorities. Even if you are left, you are unlikely to agree with 100% of one party's platform. (If you do, start thinking critically please.) Can this tool be used to support your own priorities or is it just a retweet/amplify button for the Democrat party line?

The first example I see is expanded access to voting rights. Since when did this become a partisan issue? Between January 1 and December 7, at least 19 states passed 34 laws restricting access to voting [1]. This should be a concern for any American citizen with the right to vote; don’t turn this into some politicized drama. Let me be clear; this is the very foundation of our democracy. I find it simply appalling tha…

> The first example I see is expanded access to voting rights. Since when did this become a partisan issue?

Since at least the fifteenth amendment (1870).

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by Osiris »

MattGaiser wrote: post #45
slibhb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Between January 1 and December 7, at least 19 states passed 34 laws restricting access to voting [1]. This should be a concern for any American citizen with the right to vote; don’t turn this into some politicized drama. It is a politicized drama. Voter id laws are reasonable, the majority of Americans think so, and calling them "restricted access to voting" is literally true but dishonest. "Resistbot" (from "the r…

Voter ID laws are perfectly reasonable, so long as people can easily obtain ID. That is not the case. https://225egw40g2k99t0ud3pbf2ct-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...

People voting multiple times under different names or is so incredibly rare that it's a non-issue. In order to change the outcome of an election a significant portion (at least 1%) of the public would have to vote multiple times.

The question is why are we expending legislative effort on a non-issue when there are plenty of real issues that need to be solved.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by Osiris »

kangaroozach wrote: post #67
matteotom wrote: post #53

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Laws shouldn't exist just because people think they'd be a good idea. There's also no evidence that voter ID laws prevent voter fraud, or even that voter fraud happens at any meaningful rate. Advocating for unnecessary restrictions without evidence is dishonest and dishonesty is bad.

There is no evidence that someone will ever try to rob your house. You should remove the lock on your door.

There is plenty of evidence that people's houses get robbed.

Also, where I grew up we literally never locked our doors. Ever. Never got anything stolen.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by protomyth »

throwawayboise wrote: post #61
protomyth wrote: post #23

Calling the office or faxes work better than e-mail. I suspect a text is a lower tier than e-mail.

Are faxes really still a thing?

Yes. Faxes are still a thing and used. Amazing how many things accept faxes but not emails.
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