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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by mercy_dude »

I spent a decent part of my adult life in Canada and I can’t believe what in God’s name is happening to that place.

Canada is experiencing a severe housing bubble at the backdrop of Chinese snow washing, wage stagnation is real and middle class is slowly getting wiped out. The only thing keeping the GDP at the level it is is high level of immigration which favours the wealthy in the name of a “point based immigration system”. The ruling liberal party is genuinely out of touch and the PM knows nothing but virtue signaling. The conservatives are also facing a leadership crisis since they lack largely a coordination and single thread holding the party. NDP is a joke and virtually does nothing and the electoral system is almost broken thanks to this three party system (oh and then there is Bloc which I don’t even want to get started on). Trudeau was elected prime minister with less than 33% votes. The whole COVID crisis was used by Trudeau to call a snap election and then they don’t seem to have a plan to embrace the endemic outlook. This whole vax mandates for truckers was such a distraction at the backdrop of inflation and struggling service sector. I keep thinking what are these people thinking? Any decent policy advisors would say now is not the time to do things out of spite against the people who are critical to supply chain.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by gruez »

peteradio wrote: post #46
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. To which I say: A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable…

It makes no sense to assume that these guys aren't vaccinated anyway. They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate!

> They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate!

It makes no sense, but the amount of people who conflate the two is shockingly high. I guess strawmans are easier to argue against than someone who holds nuanced views.

edit: one such example of someone who conflates the two https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by mc32 »

16012022 wrote: post #25
temp8964 wrote: post #15

GoFundMe should be political neutral, but it openly turns left. I recommend a long post explaining this phenomenon: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/why-is-everything-libe...

It’s a private company, it absolutely does not need to be neutral. They can choose any side they want. If you don’t like it, don’t use their platform. Gosh, when did the notion of private firms got so mixed up with so-called political neutrality? Are people this naïve?

One can’t, for example, solicit donations for cancer research and then instead take those donations and fund swimming pools for dolphins or whatever… even if you’re a private company.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

scythe wrote: post #61
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. To which I say: A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable…

>why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? Surely you jest. Polls are anonymous. And even if the security is bad, nobody is scrutinizing IP logs of poll respondents. Maybe in Kazakhstan or something, but freedom in the West has not fallen that far. People do lie on polls, of course, but it's usually about self-expression, not self-protection. I'd imagine that vaccinated truckers are more…

This poll was not conducted online.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by s1artibartfast »

scythe wrote: post #61
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. To which I say: A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable…

>why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? Surely you jest. Polls are anonymous. And even if the security is bad, nobody is scrutinizing IP logs of poll respondents. Maybe in Kazakhstan or something, but freedom in the West has not fallen that far. People do lie on polls, of course, but it's usually about self-expression, not self-protection. I'd imagine that vaccinated truckers are more…

You also have to consider that unvaccinated answering the poll honestly would be admitting to something that puts their livelihood on the line. I imagine that a disproportionate number would refuse to respond at all.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by temp8964 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #67
malermeister wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like American political parlance needs to be elevated by people learning the distinction between all of those terms. Which is exactly the point of the comment. Just because a lot of people misuse terms and conflate unrelated concepts, doesn't mean they're right.

Do you have some kind of source that gave you this misinformed idea you keep repeating? Neither Britannica, Wikipedia, Dictionary.com or any other obvious source remotely supports what you are claiming. Are you confusing Libertarians with Liberalism?

It’s just a far-left claiming everyone else is right-wing. It’s a common thing in their group.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by gruez »

ananonymoususer wrote: post #56
gruez wrote: post #20

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> Using a political office to effect political change is against the law. From your linked article: >using this language to specify those who are exempt:[10] > (i) an employee paid from an appropriation for the Executive Office of the President; or > (ii) an employee appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, whose position is located within the United States, who determines policie…

Neither i nor ii above apply to political (elected) officials. They are absolutely covered by the Hatch Act. If an elected official were to direct one of the exempted classes to perform a political act, the act of directing them would be a crime.

>Neither i nor ii above apply to political (elected) officials. They are absolutely covered by the Hatch Act.

From the linked article again:

>Its main provision prohibits civil service employees in the executive branch of the federal government,

Do "political (elected) officials" count as "civil service employees in the executive branch of the federal government"? My memory from civics class is a bit hazy, but I recall that elected officials are in the legislative branch, not the executive branch?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by ameminator »

malermeister wrote: post #35
ameminator wrote: post #24

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As much as you may dislike "fascists", you don't get to tell other people who they can or cannot send money to.

Other people sent money to GoFundMe. GoFundMe now has it, and as you said yourself, you don't get to tell them who they can or cannot send it to.

If I accept money on behalf of someone else, with the expectation that the cash will be given to that person and I just use the money as I please, this is called fraud.

If I set up a monetary relationship between 2 entities and then I interfere with that relationship, this is called tortuous interference with contracts.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by astraloverflow »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #65
evv555 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your attempted explanation is wrong. Trump won the rust belt in 2016 because neoliberals sold out the working class and their unions. This behavior by the administration is a half hearted attempt to roll some of that back.

I don’t buy that the neo-liberals sold-out the rust belt: This was a slow death march over decades and across party lines. After all, slave labor is cheap and lets the wealthy pool wealth, while feeling good about pouring money and industry into third-world countries. Best of all, it left the purchasing power of the middle class intact. For a time. I do agree though, that the liberals turned a blind eye when things w…

It might be more accurate to say that the democrats started taking the rust belt for granted. And it's hard to ignore the left's shift (in primary focus) from blue collar workers issues towards race and gender issues.
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