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Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Facebook failed to pay the big money to Apple that they should have been paying for years. If Zuck had been handing Apple $5,000,000,000 per year as google does, then Apple would never have kneecapped Facebook. Larry and Sergei know how the protection racket works. You pay your dues to the local mob, you get to do business in their street corners. What do google pay Apple $5b for? Ummm… to be in the search of Safari.…

This is amazing! I love HN.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Since I detect sarcasm, I'm not sure how to respond. As someone who chooses Apple partly because of the comparative privacy versus Android I'm actually quite happy that they bargain with other parties? It reminiscent of the working of efficient markets. I have a choice. No privacy (Google, Facebook), or a tidbit (Apple, G/F via Apple) or a lot (custom ROM options, drop all G/F/A). For a tidbit of privacy I pay more,…

You don't have a choice with Apple, and that's at the crux of the definition of privacy. What you're doing is justifying a specific choice that you've made, by assuming good faith and bad faith with certain companies - take a few minutes to read up on recent news and you can easily see that they do make anti-privacy choices. Their aim is not user privacy, but user lock-in. But convincing us that it's in our best inte…

> You don't have a choice with Apple

A choice about what? Your privacy? Privacy is not a choice, it's a right, so if that's what you mean I don't really understand.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Nice how Zuck said $10bn in the analysts call with nothing to back it up, but the whole press jumps on it. Apple is not Facebook's problem, all they did was giving users a choice, which should have happened ages ago. So Facebook just says Apple kills our business without ever thinking that maybe users don't like the way they do business. If they did, they wouldn't opt out…

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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There is an enormous deference between Search Ads (such as those in Google search results) and display advertising such as Facebook and Googles Display Network. I assure you Google are paying Apple to be the default search engine exactly because it's basically a licence to print money . It has nothing to do with display ads. If Facebook had a search engine they would bid against Google for that role, but as it appear…

Have to wonder if that agreement would have survived a competitive Google Plus.

Given the "success" of Google+ and Bing I am not sure if it is a gentleman's agreement rather than an endeavor not worth the investment.

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Facebook failed to pay the big money to Apple that they should have been paying for years. If Zuck had been handing Apple $5,000,000,000 per year as google does, then Apple would never have kneecapped Facebook. Larry and Sergei know how the protection racket works. You pay your dues to the local mob, you get to do business in their street corners. What do google pay Apple $5b for? Ummm… to be in the search of Safari.…

dang can you please enforce the rules more? In the last weeks hn is getting overrun with spammy troll accounts splattering conspiracy theories left and right.

I think this was more shitpost than conspiracy.

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dang can you please enforce the rules more? In the last weeks hn is getting overrun with spammy troll accounts splattering conspiracy theories left and right.

Something isn't a conspiracy theory just because it's an opinion that you do not like. I personally found the OPs take interesting, though obviously written a little tongue-in-cheek.

it's a conspiracy theory because he presents it as facts without providing sources for his statements. it's about how not what. yikes.

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> What would that payment be for from Facebook? To live. This is Tim’s town and if you think you’re doing business and cutting Tim out then you’ve got $10b concrete boots coming.

I'm not sure if you're shitposting or actually replying. Alphabet pays Apple to be the default search-engine in Safari. Thats it, Google are not exempt from Apples privacy policies. Google dragged their feed after the iOS 15 privacy changes, but in the end had to cave.

Apple's privacy policies are not set in stone. They are more like pray I don't alter the deal further.

ATM only Apple can stop Apple from deciding they want no tracking done by search engine providers in iOS apps.

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It isn't $5B, it is $10B+. Google's TAC in 2021 was $13B.

OK so Google pays Apple around $13,000,000,000 per year. How much does Facebook pay Apple?

A tiny bit with their in App revenue split which Facebook tries to avoid. Although I doubt paying for it make much difference. You can tell Tim Cook and Apple, just like HN hate Facebook and Ads ( Which they have to backtrack and state they dont hate ads ). It is an ideology crash.
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