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Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by knownjorbist »

awd wrote: post #44
cute_boi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well depends what you call free. If we can end pandemic, we don't have to wear masks, no more boosters. That would be ideal freedom right? But not vaccinating, thinking one can outsmart public health officials, being intolerant is apparently not a freedom to me.

And, after some countries are now on their 4th boosters (Edit: shot, not booster), and my country being about halfway done with their third round, are we slowly stamping out the virus? Personally I feel lied to and misled, the messaging from the government where I am from was far from what one would call nuanced and informed. The short story is that they promised: "If you take your shots, then we'll get out of this m…

What countries are on their 4th boosters?

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by awd »

nvelty wrote: post #24

This is a direct result of the (intentionally) punitive nature of vaccine mandates. Broad, heavy-handed actions by the government are the classic spark for societal backlash. A softer approach that focused on positive benefits for having a vax pass versus punishing unvaxxed would probably had better results. Instead, we've pushed (presumably) otherwise law-abiding citizens into using forged documents. This directly u…

I think you hit the nail on it's head. Think about it: some countries where these mandates are/were introduced would describe themselves as liberal democracies. We have all these laws that limit the power of government. Forcibly injecting people with the vaccine is obviously not compatible with anything calling itself "liberal".

The ideological weakness is self evident. We can't go door to door with police to give everyone the jab, so we wishy-washy try to force people with other measures. Who can respect an authority that lies and betrays one of its core principles? How can one respect a government that truly tried to outlaw natural human behavior? Talk about heavy handed.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by cute_boi »

badtoro wrote: post #46
cute_boi wrote: post #8

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Isn't that a common knowledge, assuming vaccination means less hospitalization. So, why do we even need data in such case? Vaccine passports somehow forces or incentivizes people to vaccinate more?

It is a common and well documented knowledge that obesity and alcohol use increase hospitalizations. Do you propose fitness and sobriety passports to incentivize healthier life styles?

If obese and alcohol user starts to fill up hospitals, spread diseases to other, causes trouble to other people, is recommended by public health officials I would say Yes. And I think obesity, alcohol are too different than current corona virus.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by awd »

knownjorbist wrote: post #71
awd wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, after some countries are now on their 4th boosters (Edit: shot, not booster), and my country being about halfway done with their third round, are we slowly stamping out the virus? Personally I feel lied to and misled, the messaging from the government where I am from was far from what one would call nuanced and informed. The short story is that they promised: "If you take your shots, then we'll get out of this m…

What countries are on their 4th boosters?

Sorry, 4th shot, not booster. Israel.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by nonethewiser »

knownjorbist wrote: post #63
armagon wrote: post #15

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Not just numbers, but numbers we can trust. I've been really impressed with how much data my province (Alberta) has made available, but now, I'm wondering. They recently had "technical difficulties", and the numbers changed from showing that double-vaxxed people were the most at-risk for omicron, to showing that unvaxxed people are. https://twitter.com/AB_CovidFacts/status/1486112498977685506 Also disturbing is that,…

Is there a reasonable explanation for the revised numbers without delving into conspiracies?

>Is there a reasonable explanation for the revised numbers without delving into conspiracies?

Why are you assuming these are mutually exclusive? Governments are famous for nothing if not conspiring.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by pndy »

mmacvicarprett wrote: post #14

What is preventing the US from putting a QR in those cards as many other countries?

QR code can be spoofed and that happened already - there were certificates issued for e.g. Adolf Hitler and also for Mickey Mouse with govt health agency signature [1]; these were using French and German keys. Both are invalidated of course. And not mention all "classic" written physical information cards - these are around too for people who want to avoid vaccines for whatever reasons they want.

[1] - https://niebezpiecznik.pl/post/falszowanie-certyfikat-covid-... (in Polish)

On a paper this looks great - hell, the solution might even work for a time but additional unexpected factors may spawn out of nowhere and destroy whole thing.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by yanmaani »

codyb wrote: post #66
Axien wrote: post #48

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So someone else’s freedoms should be limited so you can feel “comfortable”?

Lol, yes. If people want to eat at restaurants unvaccinated in NYC they have a variety of options. They can eat outside in the stalls which often have heat and shields against the wind. They can order at home and eat with their friends who want to take that risk. Going to a concert so you can more likely catch and spread a highly infectious virus and become more sick and hospitalized isn't some constitutional right.…

What about attending political protests?

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by slg »

buscoquadnary wrote: post #50
happytoexplain wrote: post #36

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My observation is that the political polarization of the topic came before any government action, and is the more primary cause of the issue. Government action (both heavy-handed and otherwise) sparks backlash because of the political polarization.

Honestly I saw it the other way around, when it was first came out the future was uncertain, and there was a lot of confusion the only data we had was untrusted reports from China, I saw a lot of people band together, people looking out for on another general expressions of concern. There were politics involved but it was relatively mild, and ignored by many people it was about two or three months in when much of the…

I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many on HN constantly seem to imply that the polarization and politicization of the pandemic was caused by the media, scientists, public health officials or anyone else but the last president and many people in his administration. They were immediately trying to shift blame to anyone but themselves. It was the "China virus" from pretty much day 1. He was literally crossing out "Corona" in his speeches and writing in "Chinese"[1] in mid-March. Or do you remember Trumps "I'd love to have it open by Easter" less than a month after the first lockdowns started? It didn't take "two or three months" for it to be politicized as a reactionary measure against Trump. Trump's first reaction was to politicize the situation.

[1] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/20/three-pha...

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by monkmartinez »

I can tell you as a first responder, it doesn't matter. The "vaccine" is a damn joke. I am F**ing exhausted this morning, and I don't care anymore. We are being run in the ground across the country with people quitting left and right.

Fake vaccine cards are the least of our worries. You heard it here first. The emergency medical system is in deep trouble for way too many reasons to enumerate here.

Anecdote time; I responded to the same 200 person retirement home 3 times last night (Thus the "grumpy" tude). "Mask up" signs everywhere, every employee wearing a mask properly, NO visitors for the past month, etc. AND the place is at least 80% infected with Covid. Every resident is "fully vaccinate with boosters"!

The eldery that live there are pissed, we are pissed and the staff is running on fumes. They were told they were getting a vaccine... their definition of vaccine doesn't include still getting the disease, but just a little less sever (which, incidentally has NOT been the case for a lot of them). That doesn't make sense to them or me if I am being honest.

They are sick, some of them really sick. There isn't much we can do except to give them options... stay home and fight the fever/sickness yourself or go to ER and wait for hours (depending on severity of symptoms). We are waiting for transports to the ER for an hour or more as the wall time at ER's explodes due to staffing shortages across the board.

I don't see a difference between what I saw in April, May and June of 2020 and now, with respect to Covid... with the exception of less people willing to work at ER's and EMS. Call numbers are UP massively as everyone thinks covid is going to kill them instantly. Its like people forgot how to take care of a common cold as was the case when Covid hit initially. Treat the fever, drink fluids the second you start feeling bad... don't wait until you have a 104 temp to start taking care of yourself.

I am so jaded with how bad people are at doing ANYTHING for themselves. I often wonder how people have made it to the age of 60, 75, 80 with the kinds of lifestyles I see out there. SO MANY OBESE PEOPLE. SO MANY. You wonder why you are sick? really?

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by nonethewiser »

knownjorbist wrote: post #68
nonethewiser wrote: post #58

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> Americans don't want to use ID even for voting *many liberal Americans

That's funny, considering the concept of a national ID has been soundly rejected by republicans for decades. Instead we shoehorned SSN's into that position.

He said:

> Americans don't want to use ID even for voting

You said:

> a national ID

Most Republicans do not favor national ID's and do favor checking ID's to vote. The idea behind voter ID is using the same state ID you use to buy liquor, etc.

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