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Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?

That's literally the case with every government-imposed rule in existence. You're asking a question that has been asked and answered 100 times.

"Why seatbelts? Where does it end?"

"Why can't I shoot someone? Where does it end?"

etc etc

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#72
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Science seems to be a rather stretchable concept lately. What about "unconstitutional"? No people want to know your medical status, that used to be protected privacy. Also how can we block people from going outside or gathering? Maybe for 10% deaths that's a reasonable thing to ask, but for <1% this is waaaay out of proportion for my taste.

Unconstitutional seems to be a rather stretchable concept lately. Here are all the vaccine mandates in the US today: https://www.immunize.org/laws/

USA states make their own laws. Sometimes those laws are challenged as "unconstitional" and then the Supreme Court evaluates and maybe tells them to stop. Most of the time not though. They prefer to "leave it up to the states". The recent OSHA ruling (attempt at broad vaccine mandates for Americans) for instance. The Supreme Court said they can't do that.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#73

I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?

I don't understand why people keep asking this like some kind of magic bullet.

Obviously there is a governmental body that has the authority to do this wherever you are from. And in a democracy that governmental body will be acting based on the will of the people. Even if you disagree that the executive has that authority, the courts have the authority to interpret if they do. And the legislature ultimately has the authority to override it.

In the United States if we all voted for it we could have mandates for every single vaccine ever created. But there is barely enough political will for this one. And that's only because COVID is much more of a threat than anything else at the moment.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#74

Some people are saying that this is notable because Pfizer has a financial incentive to keep vaccine mandates. That is not true. Pfizer is going to be making a lot more money from their COVID treatments than from the vaccine.

I cannot recall another example in my lifetime of a global populous all agreeing to purchase a pharmaceutical company's medical product - not just once, but 2-3x per person - in under two years' time.

The implications of this phenomenon on Pfizer's business model are enormous. Pfizer & others would be foolish to not pay close attention to this and figure out a way to exploit it for further gains.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#75
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I doubt that. Consider no one was vaccinated and 1% of humans would need medication because of a "serious" case. Then the medicine would need to be 100x more expensive than the vaccine considering the alternative is everyone was vaccinated. Now consider many people got 3 or even 4 shots. It's 300x-400x now. Also you can give the medicine to already vaccinated people that also have serious cases. So you still can sell…

Fortunately we can trust that they aren't using any of those billions they have made to manipulate public opinion on the issue, because that would be immoral and therefore off limits.

It’s literally a miracle drug for a virus that is killing thousands of people a day, that likely will work for all variants.

Can you stop complaining for one second about the price and acknowledge that it is amazing that they invented it?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#76

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The B.A2 variant has emerged and is spreading. I’m not sure we’re rounding the corner just yet.

There will always be new variants.

Irrelevant. If the new variants keep killing people in huge numbers, we'll keep seeing restrictions (assuming our governments are doing their jobs). If this happens for the next 100 years, we'll have to keep living with restrictions for the next 100 years; horrible as it is, it's better than the alternatives.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#77

I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?

It ends with covid vaccines because that is the only pandemic that is currently raging across the globe. The politicians we elect democratically makes the decisions.

Could the global obesity epidemic not also be handled through mandates?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unconstitutional seems to be a rather stretchable concept lately. Here are all the vaccine mandates in the US today: https://www.immunize.org/laws/

Those are states laws. Generally when someone says Unconstitutional without a state qualification they mean Federal Government.

That's what I meant, the basic ones like.. right to privacy, freedom of assembly, bodily autonomy.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#79

I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?

It ends with covid vaccines because that is the only pandemic that is currently raging across the globe. The politicians we elect democratically makes the decisions.

I'm not so sure about this. Call me a cynic, or even a Libertarian (gasp!) but it is generally not in the nature of government to wind down an apparatus that they paid so much for once "the threat" has passed. Now that governments have the infrastructure for requiring and/or showing proof of vaccination, it really isn't a stretch to think they will want to keep that system and have it be readily available for the next pandemic, whatever it may be.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions. I am done being a respectful citizen who does their duty towards society. There are "experts" on all sides providing conflicting science mixed with opinions and research keeps changing every few weeks. Call it an endemic and do away with all the mandates they are yet another source for causing division by the political class.

Sorry about this fatalist and flippant tone.

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