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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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uoaei wrote: post #56
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by dskloet »

nightfeather wrote: post #64
uoaei wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

Actually there is a header for this purpose [Accept-Language on MDN]( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac... ). But some sites just don't care about it and try detect this base on other information. edit: formatting

I believe Google (used to?) ignores it if it's set to only English because that's too often the default. If that's the case, the work around is to set a second preferred language.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by nrp »

mjg59 wrote: post #61
nrp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We called out "We're continuing to invest in open source firmware development, with the goal of replacing other proprietary firmware we're currently stuck with in the future too." in the blog post. Coreboot is something we're very interested in and have done experimentation around. We went with an off-the-shelf proprietary BIOS/UEFI to derisk launching the Framework Laptop on time and satisfying the core goals on it…

Are you planning to ship systems that don't have Boot Guard enforcement enabled? I've done a couple of Coreboot ports (I'm typing from a laptop that's running my build) and the Framework is an extremely interesting target, but if Boot Guard is turned on then that becomes pretty difficult.

We haven't finalized our plans around this, but one path we have explored is a signed shim loader.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by tomtheelder »

varispeed wrote: post #55
philipprk wrote: post #35

Really hoping for the laptop's next iteration to have a reverse T for the arrow keys. Otherwise very solid laptop, would be my first non-Mac choice.

This is I don't understand. Why laptop manufacturers neglect probably the most important thing that is the keyboard? Almost every single laptop that comes out these days looks like the keyboard is an afterthought. Why can't I have full size cursor keys? Pg Up, Pg Down, Home, End and few others?

I suspect majority of users never touch Pg Up/Pg Dn/Home/End and all those other keys over there. For arrow keys, the compacted layout is helpful when designing a space constrained keyboard, and it's totally usable.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by wmf »

marcodiego wrote: post #19

What is the reason behind closed firmware? I understand that wifi devices may operate out of the certification depending on what the firmware does, but other devices... why do they have closed firmwares?

For BIOS/UEFI a lot of hardware vendors outsource their firmware to AMI and AMI keeps everything proprietary so they can keep charging money.

(Coreboot is not an option for real computers because it doesn't have menus and various other things.)

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by uoaei »

dskloet wrote: post #70
uoaei wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

I guess this is sarcasm but if not: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...

Surprise! Not everyone on HN is in webdev. I don't know much about how this all works but surveyed my user-agent-switcher utility and found no such language options.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by AcidBurn »

uoaei wrote: post #56
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

I believe HTTP has had this feature since 1999 as the Accept-Language header defined in the HTTP/1.1 RFC[0].

As for why it does not get used, MDN suggests[1] it's because changing it may lead to fingerprinting but there are likely other historical reasons.

[0]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2616#section-14.4

[1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by 4cao »

trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

It's not because you're close to the German border. Apparently anyone anywhere else in the EU except France gets redirected to the German website. (France is the only other EU country where Framework decided to open sales.)

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by dskloet »

uoaei wrote: post #76
dskloet wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess this is sarcasm but if not: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...

Surprise! Not everyone on HN is in webdev. I don't know much about how this all works but surveyed my user-agent-switcher utility and found no such language options.

The option should be in your OS or browser settings.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by 4cao »

uoaei wrote: post #76
dskloet wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess this is sarcasm but if not: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...

Surprise! Not everyone on HN is in webdev. I don't know much about how this all works but surveyed my user-agent-switcher utility and found no such language options.

No need for any add-ons or extensions, you can set it the browser directly, although most websites these days ignore it anyway.
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