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So what is right wing discourse in India? How would I distinguish it? Not to be disrespectful, I just would like to know since I have such a large number of Indian friends.
r/chodi paints an accurate picture
I'd like to understand why so many young people find extremist content so persuasive and engaging. I can't stand it, and I instantly close any website that allows for extreme content.
Charlemange (supposedly) had people killed for eating meat on holy days. We would be outraged by even a 5 dollar fine.
Openly seeing gay/transgender people would be considered extreme by normal society just 30 years ago.
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So allow open lies and open hate?
Yeah. Otherwise, who decides? Nobody is qualified to define allowable speech and thinking. Exceptions to any attempt at sets of "allowable speech" rules are trivially produced. Concepts like hate and lies are vague and nebulous. The best you can do to prevent actual harm in the real world is allow unfettered speech and discussion. Speech is thinking. Non-consensual thought control is evil. Consensual speech and discu…
Courts, associations of people, etc.
The canonical argument against your line of thinking would be Der Sturmer in Nazi Germany having enough freedom to promote the interests of the Nazi party which consequently outlawed the free press and railed up the hatred to the point of genomics (See: Popper and the paradox of tolerance). We could also look at the radio stations in Rwanda preaching Hutu Power that contributed to the genocides there, or contemporary issues like the Rohingya genocides amplified by social media.
Restrictions on free speech are universal across cultures at all levels of society including within this very community and I don’t see attempts to restrict speech which the proverbial common sense person would see as likely to cause dehumanization and derision and calls to violence as necessarily being all that impossible to do in a reasonably if not completely fair manner.
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> So what is right wing discourse in India? How would I distinguish it? Not to be disrespectful, I just would like to know since I have such a large number of Indian friends. I'm not very familiar with it, but I understand a big component is "Hindu nationalism," which seeks to turn India into an exclusively Hindu nation. That's resulted resulted in attacks and official harassment against minority Muslims and Christia…
There are plenty of Indians who will also say the NY Times loves to publish exaggerated and negative articles about India.
It seems to be of much debate. Rahul Gandhi made some controversial comments about Hindutva and BJP last year, I believe.
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So allow open lies and open hate?
Yeah. Otherwise, who decides? Nobody is qualified to define allowable speech and thinking. Exceptions to any attempt at sets of "allowable speech" rules are trivially produced. Concepts like hate and lies are vague and nebulous. The best you can do to prevent actual harm in the real world is allow unfettered speech and discussion. Speech is thinking. Non-consensual thought control is evil. Consensual speech and discu…
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Reddit/Discord are not “open opinion” platforms. They are businesses. If they don't like what you're saying then they should kick you off, especially when advocating for violence and spreading fascism. You are free to start your own business and proceed to pick up where the conversation left off on your own platform, at least until the government comes knocking and asking about why you are supporting violence and sed…
> Reddit/Discord are not “open opinion” platforms. They are businesses. Then we should go back to protocols and open hardware and stop making corporations the new public forum. Your opinions are safe today, but tomorrow they may not be.
Sorry, I'm out of the loop. What happened to HTTP(S) and x86?
I'd like to understand why so many young people find extremist content so persuasive and engaging. I can't stand it, and I instantly close any website that allows for extreme content.
People will latch on to whatever 'tribe' they feel they belong to and create a scapegoat for whatever they think is the problem. Think communists vs. capitalists, ethnic group A vs ethnic group B, religion A vs religion B, vaxxed vs anti, etc...
Revolutions happen after an economic shock, not when things are going well.
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Pretty sure the government tried paying people to install toilets in their homes but most refused and all continue to go in the streets as well - the occasional concerned citizen has even been assaulted for requesting that people not do it.
As someone who was born in Africa, I can assure you that the situation is _far_ worse… just to get a taste for the crazy stories (other than many parts of Africa commonly openly defecating on the street) look up Michael Komape if you don’t want to eat breakfast today.
The problem is is that in many poor and developing countries, there’s just a basic lack of service delivery. In many townships (slums) in South Africa, where I grew up, people walk and live in their own sewage as it runs down dirt roads, and it’s rather common to see a person relieving themselves into water just a couple meters away from where children play. They don’t have access to running or clean water, a toilet, electricity, or anything of the sort, which is unsurprisingly why diarrhoeal disease is the biggest killer of African children, beating out malaria and I suppose AIDS as well. When I travelled across Africa, it was clear that this situation more or less repeats itself. Toilets are also expensive (think up to a few hundred dollars) for someone living on less than a dollar a day and who can barely feed their families: effectively they are like the homeless of the west, as their ‘house’ is merely a corrugated tin shack that barely has enough space to fit two beds.
Coming from someone who has travelled across many dirt poor countries, I think India is far out of the ‘Africa’ bracket of countries (i.e a quasi failed state with mostly impoverished citizens and no service delivery), but it’s still very poor, which is visibly clear when you visit.