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Post by DerpyBaby123 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #62
DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #45

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I didn't say that at all. However, taking control of the government is exactly how coups are executed, please look into it if you haven't.

We have a chain of command in our government for when people die. First the President, then the Vice President, then the Speaker of the House, then the Secretaries in a predefined order, and so forth. Plus, the Secret Service (which protects the president) includes considerations for, say, Nuclear Bombing of the capitol and who would take over leadership if such a disaster should happen. If the rioters had succeeded…

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Post by DerpyBaby123 »

ng12 wrote: post #54
DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #45

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I didn't say that at all. However, taking control of the government is exactly how coups are executed, please look into it if you haven't.

Yes coups require explicit support of the military and/or populace. They had neither.

Many people in the populace would have supported it, look at how many now even today deny that it was a riot aimed at disrupting the peaceful transition of power of the government.

If they didn't do a good enough job at it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Post by _-david-_ »

ben_w wrote: post #39
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #21

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I’m not a lawyer so I may be missing something here, but I would expect a bunch of pipe bombs to be evidence of rather more than a mere protest. Or is this one of those weird second amendment rights that makes no sense outside of the USA?

Who planted the pipe bombs? Do you have proof that it was the rioters? If so please give the evidence to the FBI.

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Post by cmiles74 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #7

This kind of pressure on companies to censor seems like an end around on the first amendment. It technically is not the government censoring or mandating censorship, but it uses the threat of government power and the power to irritate and harass for companies that don't toe the line. Unfortunately, I can only see this getting worse. For example, if the Republicans come to power in 2022, I can see them having a commit…

The larger issue, in my opinion, is that people seem to be looking less for clear and understandable information about current events and more for skewed (possibly even false) information that they find entertaining, comforting, etc.

I can understand why some people might think the next step would be to improve the quality of the information from the sources that are providing this skewed, stilted and possibly even false coverage, but I have trouble seeing this working well enough to improve things in any meaningful way. On the contrary, it seems like this kind of news will be even more sought after as it becomes harder to find.

That said I don't have a good solution. Maybe somehow promoting better sources of news or making it easier for these more reliable news sources to generate income.

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Post by regularfry »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #65
oneoff786 wrote: post #53

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> Remind me what the Secret Service exists for again, Protecting the president. The secret service does not protect senators > and who got the lawmakers out of there before the rioters came. Capitol Hill police I believe. > Maybe Democracy would have been closer to dying I’m pretty sure I explicitly said that wasn’t on the table. My point was that the rioters got very close. That is, one door away, then lured to othe…

Well, then, it would have been a massacre, but democracy still wouldn't have died. We have a chain of command that has been clearly defined - President, then Vice President, then Speaker of the House, then all of the Secretaries in a specific order, and so on. Unless they managed to get the Army, or the Nuclear Codes, or something greater than just controlling a building, they would have needed to kill the President,…

This is begging the question, textbook. The whole point would be to install the President by non-democratic means.

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Post by mindslight »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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The low level actions of the rioters on January 6th would be less relevant if the political leaders and operatives who mobilized them were being held to account. But rather the Republican Party is extremely disinterested in any sort of accountability or investigation, instead closing the ranks around autocracy. And so going after the low level useful idiots in hopes of building cases against the real perps is the only path forward.

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Post by rootusrootus »

IgorPartola wrote: post #28

I get some kind of sick satisfaction out of watching a certain small subset of HN lose their mind trying to square the circle when it comes to stuff like this. On one hand “this is government overreach!” (it’s not because the committee here is on a specific task to investigate a specific crime) and “free market!” and on the other hand “big social media companies are evil and decide what’s right and what’s wrong.” Nev…

AFAICT political tribes rule everything now, and the actual policy issues are unimportant. I rarely see anyone discussing policy, everything is very shallow, very personal.

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Post by josefx »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #21
IgorPartola wrote: post #19

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How to misunderstand the situation 101: bring the first amendment into the discussion when that’s not what the discussion is about. Let me break this down for you: you host a weekly poker night. My buddies and I come and during these nights plan a crime. We than carry out a crime and get arrested. The investigators come to you and ask “what did those guys talk about at your poker nights?” You say “poker stuff”. They…

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> I have not seen any evidence that the rioters in question planned to break into the Capital building.

Isn't that what a subponea is for? A crime was committed, that is 100% sure, we know that the criminals used these services to organize, so these services are the obvious place to look for more evidence related to the crime.

> That was a later unplanned innovation as far as I've seen.

Of course, can you head over to help the police out next. They always seem to take ages to solve murders and having someone walk in look at the situation from outside and tell them how they think it happened with a quick glance at the directly visible facts would really speed things up. Who needs an investigation.

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Post by oneoff786 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #59
oneoff786 wrote: post #25

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The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? I think it is probable she would have been killed. That doesn’t mean they control the us government. But it’s non trivial.

> The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? "Fairly close" to me would likely involve more of the rioters being shot. The fact that so few were shot indicates that the state was largely keeping their gloves on, which they would not if there was any risk of a senator actually being killed.

The rioters failed to find the senators. They were one door away, and a guard lured them in the wrong direction. I’m not sure how much of an armed guard presence was accompanying the senators at the time, though I believe it was not a large presence.

Supposing they instead entered the room, it is probable to me that they would have been immediately shot. I doubt the rioters could have taken the room but who knows. In any case

* I think the rioters would have killed some democratic leaders if given the opportunity

* I think more gunshots would have occurred if the rioters went a different direction by chance

* I think this is way, way too far already in terms of what is remotely ok.

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