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World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Where ought one move to optimize for climate change?

North Dakota.

Calgary. It amazes me that despite the Chinese money laundering, the Trudeau Federal government willingness to back residential real estate through monetary, immigration, and legal policies; and just the general Canadian willingness to pretend everyone is well-intended and no one would lie in a mortgage application; that Calgary is the one place in Canada that remains somewhat reasonably priced. Multiple road and rail routes that would make it almost impossible for the city to be cut off (a la Vancouver last year). Reasonably good international airport that is set for expansion - although the expansion was very tied to energy.

Very well protected with mountains on one side (but far enough to avoid the major floods or mud slides). Some rivers in the city do flood, but stick to the higher-placed properties and you'll be fine. Some exposure to forest fire smoke, but only smoke, the land around is generally farmland or ranching, and well protected from catching fire. Great self-reliance for food and energy.

Problems: generally just the Canada-wide ones (e.g. healthcare system has collapsed but they haven't noticed, Ottawa largely doesn't care about the West, economy is 50% real estate, immigration is 95% of population growth and has resulted in a very exploitative and corrupt system that lures in young people to be poorly-paid expendable labour under the guise of Canadian Permanent Resident through exorbitantly expensive but low-quality education). Locally, Calgary leans very left (NDP, the Left-most party in Canada), but this balances well with the Conservative provincial government.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I have the feeling that many people (especially politicians) think that global warming is a linear process. It's not. It might even be exponential since some sources for climate-warming are affected by warmer climate. For example, melting ice that reflects sunlight back to space [ https://arcticwwf.org/places/last-ice-area/ ]. I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor f…

> I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor for that.

I'd honestly love to hear your thinking about how to find a climate-change 'aware' location to live, thanks.

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I don't want to sound fatalistic but it's difficult to see how we can reset the 4 big feedback loops in any reasonable amount of time: Ice-albedo feedback - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice%E2%80%93albedo_feedback Permafrost thaw feedback - https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/global-carbon-budget-perm... Forestfire\Drought feedback - https://weatherology.com/trending/articles/Drought-Feedback-... Jetstream Disruption…

Sulfur dioxide aerosol injection in the stratosphere until carbon capture and decarbonization can catch up. We desperately need an energy inexpensive way to sequester atmospheric carbon underground in stable (mineral) form. Hopefully we’ll see progress from Climeworks or similar concerns in this space. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aae98d/...

I wonder if Venusians tried the same thing which lead to the concentrations of SO2 we see in Venus' atmosphere.

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Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

I wish you the best as you figure out the direction of your life. I'm a bit older and have kids. They've positively impacted my life in ways I could not have imagined when I was younger. Having said that, the speed of climate change and what feels like a global political class that is incapable of taking meaningful action, I am very concerned for my kids' near future. I cannot imagine a life without them, but I do wo…

only those conceived will suffer ...

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I have the feeling that many people (especially politicians) think that global warming is a linear process. It's not. It might even be exponential since some sources for climate-warming are affected by warmer climate. For example, melting ice that reflects sunlight back to space [ https://arcticwwf.org/places/last-ice-area/ ]. I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor f…

Where ought one move to optimize for climate change?

Waterworld. Unfortunately a boat is a big hole in the water that you pour money into.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I see you're being downvoted; I suspect OP is sarcastically referring to the "dog in a burning kitchen" meme..

You're correct. I erroneously thought I didn't need the /s, but alas... I was mistaken.

I downvoted your parent comment not because I didn't catch your meaning, but because I didn't think it contributed meaningfully to the conversation (basically, a throw-away 'ha ha' comment).

Elaborating on your perspective on the situation, sharing how it's affected your behavior or though processes, or engaging others in discussion would have produced a more substantive contribution.

I am very sensitive to HN sliding into a 'Reddit, but for nerds' situation where facile comments dominate the conversation and the signal-to-noise ratio is unbearably low.

Looking at your other comments, in general you do a pretty good job of holding back the tide -- please don't take this as a general comment against you, but more as a signpost for others.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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I have the feeling that many people (especially politicians) think that global warming is a linear process. It's not. It might even be exponential since some sources for climate-warming are affected by warmer climate. For example, melting ice that reflects sunlight back to space [ https://arcticwwf.org/places/last-ice-area/ ]. I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor f…

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."

Actually the problem is that a sizable cabal has come to understand the exponential function all too well. And has applied it to the theory and practice of capital investment in exchange for increasing returns (back to the investors) -- while externalizing cost (onto the environment, and those less empowered).

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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post #71

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North Dakota.

Calgary. It amazes me that despite the Chinese money laundering, the Trudeau Federal government willingness to back residential real estate through monetary, immigration, and legal policies; and just the general Canadian willingness to pretend everyone is well-intended and no one would lie in a mortgage application; that Calgary is the one place in Canada that remains somewhat reasonably priced. Multiple road and rai…

Didn't you have a flood that put a mudslide right through the saddledome in the last 5 years?

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

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Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

Yes. Interesting counterpoint from Scott Alexander: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/please-dont-give-up-on...

Thanks for this! Lots of my peers are going on and on about how we're all doomed. I belisve in climate change, and that it's bad and we must act. But I don't think we're gonna be living in Waterworld, which is what my friends are describing.

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We should start by working to keep the ocean clean, then worry about the temperature of the polluted water. Why is there more interest in controlling the temperature vs the pollution itself? consumerism needs to change for temperature to change

Climate change may very well be an extinction level event. Plastic in the ocean is not.
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