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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by ascagnel_ »

echelon wrote: post #43
monkeybutton wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not like they redeemed themselves since 2 and 3 either; Jupiter Ascending was trash. What did people expect?

V for Vendetta is classic. Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite films of all time. It's incredibly divisive, but if you appreciate its deep symbolism and rich interwoven storytelling, it's beautiful. The wide dynamic range of genres it attempts to fit - romance, comedy, science fiction, murder mystery, spy thriller - is not only ambitious, but absolutely works to establish the symphony of it all. Resurrections surpasses…

To add to that, _Speed Racer_ should be the thing that TV manufacturers pack in to show off their fancy 4K HDR TVs — bright and vibrant in a way that Hollywood action movies avoid nowadays. The dialogue and acting are corny and stilted, but in a way that mirrors the TV show its adapting.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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romwell wrote: post #2

Uh huh. Sure. There's a reason they call it Hollywood Accounting[1]. Not that Warner Brothers is new to this game either: >A Warner Bros. receipt was leaked online, showing that the hugely successful movie Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix ended up with a $167 million loss on paper after grossing nearly $1 billion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by vmception »

fallingmeat wrote: post #27

Resurrections was like someone saying, “Hey remember that awesome movie we made in the 90’s? Yeah that was so great…” Axiom: You can only see The Matrix for the first time, once.

It made $124m so far, its not really an indictment about its quality they just spent too much more making it.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by jimmydorry »

azekai wrote: post #49
thatcherc wrote: post #23

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Lots! It made $363 million off a $200 million budget [1]. That's probably lower than the studio expected for such a big movie, but still a solid profit and especially good in today's post(?)-covid box office. [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenet_(film)

A general rule of thumb is a movie needs to make back double its budget to recoup after-filming costs, like advertising, ect to start turning a profit. A $363 million return on a $200 million flick is not a good return.

The rule of thumb does not take into account movies going to stream, so may not be as applicable these days.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by 3minus1 »

didibus wrote: post #38

I don't understand how they do the math with streaming. In a way, you can say that everyone who is an HBO subscriber has already paid for the Matrix Resurrections. Obviously you don't have to watch it immediately, since it's now part of the streaming service catalogue, so unlike a movie theater where all people who intend to see the movie must watch it before it leaves the cinema, all HBO max subscriber can just thin…

I agree it's interesting. It seems like they lose money when an HBO subscriber would have bought a ticket but streams it instead. On the other hand they make a lot of money if someone signs up for HBO to see the Matrix, and ends up continuing their subscription for months/years.

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Post by elpakal »

fallingmeat wrote: post #27

Resurrections was like someone saying, “Hey remember that awesome movie we made in the 90’s? Yeah that was so great…” Axiom: You can only see The Matrix for the first time, once.

I feel like they did pretty good with this one though, it is THE MATRIX after all and nothing can ever live up to the first watch of the first movie. I actually laughed several times and that was new.

> I still know kung fu

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Post by oliyoung »

blhack wrote: post #46
oliyoung wrote: post #41

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> How much did HBO pay for the streaming rights? They wouldn't -have paid- anything, HBO is owned by Warner too edit: ...they wouldn't have to have paid anything..

Oh very interesting! I wonder how that looks from an accounting/profitability perspective?

You know that game where you put a table-tennis ball under plastic cups and slide them around and you have to guess where the ball ends up?

That.

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Post by brandmeyer »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #59
cheschire wrote: post #42

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So at first I dismissed your comment and moved on. But then I realized... maybe this was a troll? If WB really did try to strong arm her into making another one, this feels like the perfect response. "Sure, I'll make another one..." and then proceeds to make sure they never make a 5th. On the other hand, she has said in interviews that she was motivated by a personal loss to reach out and try to make it. Not sure who…

I’ve heard a different version: that the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them. The movie feels like a very personal “screw you, executives”, in that it denies catharsis to some of the most popular parts of the first movie and at the same time makes some very, very clear statements that echo what Lana Wachowski has said in the past. It’s what a revival should be: it gives you a way…

> the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them.

The writers made this part of the plot of the repeating inner world. Between that moment and the painful scenes of the game designers' cyclic rounds of buzzword bingo, I agree that the movie was at least trolling the WB executives.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

echelon wrote: post #43
monkeybutton wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not like they redeemed themselves since 2 and 3 either; Jupiter Ascending was trash. What did people expect?

V for Vendetta is classic. Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite films of all time. It's incredibly divisive, but if you appreciate its deep symbolism and rich interwoven storytelling, it's beautiful. The wide dynamic range of genres it attempts to fit - romance, comedy, science fiction, murder mystery, spy thriller - is not only ambitious, but absolutely works to establish the symphony of it all. Resurrections surpasses…

You have great taste!

V for Vendetta and Cloud Atlas are absolute masterpieces. Definitely Top 10.

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