Seems like the type of group we could definitely trust to have access to “emergency use only” back doors in encryption algorithms.
Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
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Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#72A bit of background: Since WW2 Denmark has aligned itself with the US. This has been the consensus since then across all the major parties (Conservatives, Liberals, Social-Liberals and Social-Democratic (with a noteworthy exception[1])). The stance has during all those years from time to time been challenged by fringe parties like the Communist Party and the far-right Progress Party (who suggested that the Danish def…
Thank you! This was a very enlightening comment, which adds a lot more context to this news story.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on... The NSA made the Danish FE spy on bot…
People think it's west Vs China or USA vs others. It's not. It's these "services" Vs the people they're meant to be serving.
It is also the west vs China.
Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party).
But it should be the world against crimes against humanity.
And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on... The NSA made the Danish FE spy on bot…
> “The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself.” It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the las…
> It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves.
This goes against the actual agreements in place, where they have to treat the other citizens as their countries do.
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#75A bit of background: Since WW2 Denmark has aligned itself with the US. This has been the consensus since then across all the major parties (Conservatives, Liberals, Social-Liberals and Social-Democratic (with a noteworthy exception[1])). The stance has during all those years from time to time been challenged by fringe parties like the Communist Party and the far-right Progress Party (who suggested that the Danish def…
So before the tiny Danish nation of just few million people was allied with the US, you were occupied by the Germans, your Jews exported and murdered, many citizens dead.
And the Americans (and English, Canadians etc.) liberated you.
And then for decades, you were up against the Soviet Empire where the Americans provide a pillar of security.
And somehow this relationship with the Americans is bad, exactly how?
You haven't provided any evidence of wrongdoing in terms of cooperation with the Americans.
The US collects intelligence on everyone - so does Germany. And the UK. And ... Denmark. That's normal in 2021.
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on... The NSA made the Danish FE spy on bot…
> “The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself.” It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the las…
Collection and analysis of intelligence on a US person by a US intelligence agency is subjected to the same laws no matter where it came from. There is no way around it. If GCHQ collected and NSA analyzed and used that intelligence in any way then the law regarding US persons applies. I'm not aware of anywhere in the law that makes exceptions for these cases.
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#77This is an absolutely bonkers story by Danish standard. The guy is amongst the highest ranking civil servants, holds the order of Dannebro. On top of this a number of Danish journalists have been "taken in for a chat" by the intelligence services. The charges are still secret, but appears to be related to this story: Danish secret service helped US spy on Germany's Angela Merkel: report https://www.dw.com/en/danish-s…
If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on... The NSA made the Danish FE spy on bot…
It's not wild at all.
A Danish arms manufacturer planning on doing a deal with Gaddaffi during sanctions era?
A member of the White House in Europe to meet with Russian contacts, off his calendar, in the middle of an investigation into possible illicit ties between the White House and Russia?
The Head of US Olympics suspected of taking of bribes, having meeting with Addidas in Copenhagen with big money changing hands?
There are plenty of things like that going on.
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> “The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself.” It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the las…
Collection and analysis of intelligence on a US person by a US intelligence agency is subjected to the same laws no matter where it came from. There is no way around it. If GCHQ collected and NSA analyzed and used that intelligence in any way then the law regarding US persons applies. I'm not aware of anywhere in the law that makes exceptions for these cases.
There are practical reasons for the US to work with Danish intelligence (and others) that would have nothing to do with circumventing the law.
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#79A bit of background: Since WW2 Denmark has aligned itself with the US. This has been the consensus since then across all the major parties (Conservatives, Liberals, Social-Liberals and Social-Democratic (with a noteworthy exception[1])). The stance has during all those years from time to time been challenged by fringe parties like the Communist Party and the far-right Progress Party (who suggested that the Danish def…
So before the tiny Danish nation of just few million people was allied with the US, you were occupied by the Germans, your Jews exported and murdered, many citizens dead. And the Americans (and English, Canadians etc.) liberated you. And then for decades, you were up against the Soviet Empire where the Americans provide a pillar of security. And somehow this relationship with the Americans is bad, exactly how? You ha…
Arguing that "it's okay to do it because the others do it as well" is kindergarten-level argumentation.
A key factor in a friendly relationship is to be able to tell your friend "no" without him/her getting angry. If one of the people in a relationship is forced to be subservient at all times we normally call it an abusive relationship.
And I think you kinda missed the point: Danish politicians have done everything in their power to please the US since the 1960s and have done so increasingly since Bill Clinton was president. That's fine, if they told the populace that is what they're doing. Instead what they're doing is making hidden agreements with the US, that includes spying on our closest allies and neighbours (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...) all the while they tell the Danish people that it is impossible to say if Americans are spying in Denmark.
If it is such a great benefit to Denmark to act as a lap dog for the US, you would think the Danish politicians was proud of it, wouldn't you?
Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report
#80"Microsofts datacenterregion vil sikre Forsvaret adgang til IT- og datakapacitet, som vi ikke kan udvikle selv. Mange af de løsninger, vi er afhængige af i fremtiden – inklusive løsninger, der bygger på kunstig intelligens – kræver computerkraft, der kun er mulig ved brug af cloud-løsninger. Jeg ser derfor frem til samarbejdet med Microsoft i forhold til de konkrete muligheder, som den nye datacenterregion åbner for…
I have a feeling the computing demand for every AI use case the Danish military could want to pursue, could be met by a few mainframes with fewer security risks. Given the work that goes into verifying the data center meets some assumably very high requirements, I imagine mainframes might even be the cheaper solution too.
Seems to me like yet another example of companies successfully lobbying governments to buy unnecessary things.