if this is really that - this is clearly evidence of collusion amongst employers with indirect pressure on them to keep salalries at a certain level
It's a b2b co., this is how they appeal to their clients. This is their product.
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#73How much does it cost to get a list of everyone's salary at my company?
Maybe you can register a 1 person company and share your employee details for access to the platform.
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#74NOTE: It is possible to freeze access to your employment data here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze That being said, it doesn't stop employers from continuing to hand Equifax your data on a gold platter, and therefore does nothing to protect you from the inevitable data breach that will result in Equifax being required to give everyone affected $0.36 or one year of free credit monitoring.
But, I didn't opt in for them to have this information about me to begin with.
You don't need to. Your employer can give this info to whoever they want, and many give this data to Equifax or one of the other credit agencies.
Also, you might give your bank employment details, and your bank will most likely send that info to a credit agency as well.
There's not much of an escape.
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#75This is a good use case for the web3 ecosystem, or at least for those working on the decentralization, personal data ownership and control parts.
It should be obvious that it is important to employers to be able to verify the claims made by people who are applying to them for jobs. Claims of employment or education or credential or skill or whatever. That's what zero trust is all about, isn't it?
That need is the reason that this data is (centrally) collected and then shared. There is a massive mutual benefit incentive on the part of employers- and on the part of the SAAS providers to employers- to share data on the employees and to benefit from data of others being shared.
And yes that may be seen to violate the privacy of the people who had an employment relationship and who received money over the course of that relationship, but employer corporate persons are at least part owners of that data- of what money and what dates and so forth was paid to what human persons by them.
By what means does a web3 protocol based on verifiable credentials enable those who have requirements to perform verification while preventing centralization and preserving the rights of the humans whose data participates in these protocols?
That's the mountaintop goal. What's the path to get there?
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#76How does this work in California given that employers cannot ask for a candidate's salary even through an agent? Does this not qualify? Effective January 1, 2018, Labor Code section 432.3 prohibits an employer from, either orally or in writing, personally or through an agent, asking any information concerning an applicant’s salary history information, which includes compensation as well as benefits. [1] [1] https://w…
It appears you might be able to have this information deleted if you’re a California resident and the CCPA protects your data rights:
https://myprivacy.equifax.com/personal-info
I’m not a California resident. Can someone who is try and report back? Sounds like a follow up blog post/instructional tutorial is needed if it works, and calls to state and local reps that this should be opt in.
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#77I checked earlier today and yep, my employer is selling my data and future earnings potential to the company that is infamous for poor data security. A confounding factor is that as a hiring manager, and at least for all the hiring decisions I have been involved in, I know we did not use this to check candidates. So what's the upside? EDIT: ADP Workforcenow appears to do this automatically. I'm curious to find out if…
Ask HR how you should verify your employment and salary for a mortgage application. I know my company intentionally shares since they ask you to use the work number to send a verification to the lender.
The whole "verify your salary with employer" process is BS. Lenders can verify income by requesting your tax returns, and N recent pay stubs (source: I own my employer and have verified income this way, since obviously they are not going to call myself up and ask me to verify my own income). This is only about reducing their verification costs. If there needs to be a giant database of everyone's income, the government should run it, and they already have the data.
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#78"I can't believe you could ever do this to me, Employer! You - you said we were like Family! I mean, it seems just the other day you, me and the CFO were tipping cheap IPAs and bonding at the foosball table ..."
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#80Just checked and Salesforce (my employer) is not listed. One less element of privacy given away