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Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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Seems expensive for just curation even though I don't discount the work required for top quality curation.

plus it would be trapped in my email. Is there a backlog to review? seems like a downgrade from longform which is a normal functional website.

Not having an archive of links may be a feature -- relieving you of the responsibility to decide what to read.

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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I am sorry to see them go, but more for the principle than for the site itself. I gave up on the site when I realized that I was spending more time scrolling for something interesting than actually reading articles. Even now, out of their top 10 "best of 2021" I find only 3 of those even remotely interesting, and IMHO one of them is garbage (I read it when it came out). The type of articles I like the most are those…

I have to say my own impression is similar. I'm a fan of high-quality, significant, long-form, content. I'm ... not really seeing that here. A few good pieces, but that's from their own self-admitted "best of". If not necessarily an outright failure, then a mismatch of goals and attainment. And as has been frequently noted on HN (occasionally by myself), length itself is not a marke of quality in writing. Requisite c…

How is this a failure? They are evolving with the times. Longform served their users with article recommendations for nearly 12 years, but times have changed. Services like Instapaper, Pocket, etc. are no longer popular, and so they’re focusing on podcasting — which is basically the future of longform journalism. Kudos to them.

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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I am sorry to see them go, but more for the principle than for the site itself. I gave up on the site when I realized that I was spending more time scrolling for something interesting than actually reading articles. Even now, out of their top 10 "best of 2021" I find only 3 of those even remotely interesting, and IMHO one of them is garbage (I read it when it came out). The type of articles I like the most are those…

When I was seven years old, I had an uncle with a grey beard and an eye-patch that would take me out on walks and tell long stories about his history as a sailor in the merchant marines. He had been at sea for fourteen years and visited just about every country, even the landlocked ones he would say with his signature smoker's laugh. Uncle Robert tapped his pipe on the heel of his boot as we stopped. Not that his tal…

and time is not something that is afforded journalists and writers today.

This seems intuitive, and also provably false.

Joe Rogan is currently running the most famous and successful podcast in the world, and those conversations routinely go over three hours.

Dan Carlin is on a lower tier, but still highly successful, and his podcasts are far more polished and produced and integrate huge amounts of research, and the runtimes are even longer than Rogan's.

Maybe written content doesn't afford the detail you're looking for, which kind of makes sense, because you can listen to a podcast while commuting, exercising, showering or doing various chores, but you can't read doing almost any of them. But I'd argue almost anything done in an article can be done in a podcast or audiobook, so maybe the current failure of long-form journalism is not realizing that the medium has moved on.

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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Longreads is also great. https://longreads.com/

Longreads is great... I actually thought that was the one shutting down and just breathed a sigh of relief

Same here! I had an article on Longreads [0] open in another tab when I saw this headline and felt like I'd better hurry to finish it!

0: https://longreads.com/2019/05/30/born-to-be-eaten/

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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Never heard of this site before, but if I could hazard a guess to why they're shutting down, who nowadays has the time to read a long text for leisure? Not many people I guess. My opinion is that the information loop has entered hyper velocity and anything long form cannot be mainstream anymore. If I take my case as an example, the only activity where I focus for more than 5 minutes is coding. I skim news just readin…

The recreational consumption of content of all sorts is, I suspect, at a historic high. We watch hundreds of hours of movies and limited series and shows, watch YouTube and Twitch and TikTok, and browse Facebook, Reddit, and Hacker News for hours a day. Even the most active programmer -- if they're being honest and not just preening for hopeful bosses to nod in praise -- spends a significant amount of time not programming.

Yes, most people have enormous amounts of discretionary time. Long form content has a pretty large base that enjoys the content, and it's some of the best content that appears on HN.

To condense, I find the notion that no one has time simply ludicrous. As otabdeveloper4 mention, it's remarkable how content has grown and grown rather than the opposite.

Having said that, I don't understand the site. By appearances some people post some links of some content that they enjoyed? What is there to "shut down"? Are we to believe this was some sort of business or something?

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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I think people tend to underestimate the effort involved in curating content. Reading and assessing all of that stuff is time consuming. And there are a lot of complainers and axe-grinders out there who harass you when your curation does not exactly match their interests and values. People assume you linked to a thing because you 100% agree with it. People respond flippantly to the titles without reading the articles. People get mad because they hit a "you've read X articles" paywall. It can be a lot to deflect.

The other pain point in curation is the relentless poaching. If you find any success doing it right--by keeping tabs on creators directly--soon other lazy (often more popular) "curators" will be using your hard work as a major source of their own links, without giving any credit.

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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Agreed; majority of long-form doesn't actually necessarily have a lot to say, and is not written as cleverly or engagingly as hoped/needed. There are however exceptions and those are real jewels :)

I've noticed that this is something that also happened in YouTube video essays. I remember at the dawn of them when I thought it was so cool that there was people out there making these super in-depth videos on all sorts of topics. But over the past few years it drew in the attention of people who really don't have much to say, and stretch these videos on, talking in circles, as if longer video = better/more interest…

i think videos that arent about 10 minutes get downranked. thas why when you want to see which wire to connect to on your cars wiring harness you gotta learn about the whole history of the car first.

totaly sucks and something i really miss about having evwryone put these little tidbits in writing on a personal blog is that you can skim. even as annoying as recipe sites are, you can at least scroll down to the ingredients.

I absolutely hate video tutorials, it's a waste of so much time.

Re: Longform.org is shutting down its article recommendations service

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Reading articles I found on Longform used to be part of my Sunday morning ritual, the same way reading the NYT is for some people. However, at some point I found myself looking elsewhere: the quality of their selections went downhill, or rather changed focus toward politics during a time when I wanted an escape from that on a Sunday morning, so it no longer really fit my needs.
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