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I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Is that a signing bonus or a agreement to get paid less in two years?

Is there a meaningful difference?

To me a signing bonus is a upfront payment for you to agree to join. Paying it over two years is just a regular bonus paid biweekly. Time value of money makes the lump sum a lot more valuable, especially in these inflationary times.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I also left Amazon after ~10mo. I've written about this elsewhere, but the short version is: * New manager who was a nice guy but didn't help me or other folks onboard * A skip-level (who I expected would be my direct) manager who was about as hands-off as could be and seemed interested in building his own empire. * SDE3 who was nominally my mentor but was less than useless. I asked him to whiteboard our services, an…

was the sde3 just faking ignorance so he didn't have to help you out?

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Is that a signing bonus or a agreement to get paid less in two years?

Is there a meaningful difference?

Sure, a single lump sum bonus might bump you in a higher tax bracket, whereas the bonus paid over 2 years may keep you in a lower bracket.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Formatting is a very very distant minor gripe compared to what I think is the main reason this is a problem: versioning. That being said, if it works, it works. If it doesn't work, make a case for why and develop a _holistic_ understanding of the costs and benefits of changing the current process. Maybe you can change it, or maybe you learn why it doesn't change. If it works, but it offends your sensibilities, perhap…

> If it works, but it offends your sensibilities, perhaps this is an opportunity for self-growth. I've had to learn this lesson. We have an internal microservice whose name is obsolete and no longer makes any sense whatsoever. Everyone is confused by the name until the original reasoning is explained, and they come to understand the original purpose of the service, now long since changed. It drives me up the wall. I…

I've been doing this stuff for almost 10 years and I _still_ struggle with this lesson. I think it's a good sign. We have a deep desire for correctness. But I think while it's perfectly healthy to desire correctness, we all need to be able to do what you've demonstrated: accept that sometimes correctness is not a logical endeavour.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Cases like these happen at companies at all levels. Massive companies such as Amazon and especially at startups, where roles are not as defined. After only two months at my current role, I was ready to leave. Was catfished into a role which was not what I interviewed for. Management agrees that I am getting short-changed, but is unwilling to let me change organizations. Sadly, I continue to stay here, after over a ye…

> Was catfished into a role which was not what I interviewed for

Why does Amazon do this? I've bailed out 3 times on interviews with them now because somehow the role they sold me on end up being completely different by the time you talk to the team members doing the actual job. It's a huge time waster for everyone involved.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I left amazon after just under 2 years and I agree with everything you wrote here. You’re asked to move fast but constantly delayed by every team or system you have to interact with. Duct tape abounds and that duct tape is usually “go file a ticket and wait 3 days”. This made scoping your project really difficult. Add 2 weeks of back and forth for each team you had to talk with. On a more positive note, the reason I…

Huge plus one here, same situation. Except opposite situation with my team/manager unfortunately.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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Ex-Amazonian here, I agree with almost everything OP say. I have a few things to add in case HR is reading this: - RSUs vesting schedule sucks, fix it.(5% - first year, 15% - second , then 5% each quarter, i think...) - Internal tooling is pretty bad (frameworks, pipelines, ....) and the documentation is non-existent, and when it exists , is not very helpful. - Amazon has the least amount of holidays of all FAANG, wh…

> RSUs vesting schedule sucks, fix it.(5% - first year, 15% - second , then 5% each quarter, i think...)

They don’t want to fix that. I’m sure they save a ton of money by backloading vesting like that. With their turnover rate, they probably pay out a pretty small portion of their awarded grants.

As I understand it (having never worked there), they are also stingy with granting new stock, and consider unvested grants in determining what to award each year. e.g. “You had an amazing year, but you’re sitting on a bunch of stock already, so take this tiny new grant and fuck off.” I’ve heard this from multiple former employees so have no particular reason to doubt it.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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You have to pay them back pro rated. If you leave after 10 months you'd only have to pay back 2/12 of the bonus. At least that was the case when I started at Amazon (admittedly almost a decade ago).

If you get a signing bonus that you pay taxes on, then have to return part of it the following year, do you get to deduct it from taxes?

I stayed over 5 years, so I never had to repay any bonus. I can't be sure what the tax implications would be of it, but based on what I know about taxes (more than most, less than an expert) I suspect it would count against your taxable income in the year when you had to pay it back.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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It's really a shame what many of the "FAANG" companies (and the companies who admire/adopt their practices) are doing to tech work.

My own experiences, the horror stories I've read, the broken/horrible interview trivia loops, the nonstop crunches, the nonstop on-call escalations, the difficult ethical positions that come with working at some companies, etc. have me feeling worse than ever about this profession.

It didn't use to be like this. There was a time not long ago when individual personality and skills mattered. Workloads could be negotiated, interviews were conversational.

But now it seems that a few companies have eliminated all that wasteful "toil" of interacting with human beings by instead treating them like machines, and thousands of other companies follow suit almost blindly.

I'd love to see a job aggregator for anti-FAANGs. Does such a thing exist?

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