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Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by petee »

notreallyserio wrote: post #2

They also have .new, enabling links like https://sheets.new .

So the ICANN application says they will apply no restrictions to registrants, yet when you try to register they have a requirement that you provide certain content, and by a deadline - is this not in violation of the application?

-- https://gtldresult.icann.org/applicationstatus/applicationde...

-- "the .new gTLD will best add value to the gTLD space by remaining purely open and unencumbered by registrant restrictions. There will, therefore, be no restrictions on second-level domain name registrations in the proposed gTLD, .new."

-- "Extension Requirements .NEW is open to anyone but all domain names must be used for action generation or online content creation where the user should be able to “create” something without any further navigation. Examples from Google include docs.new and slides.new, which resolve to a new document creation page. Any .NEW domain name need to be live within 100 days of registration"

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by dmingod666 »

kingcharles wrote: post #68
danlugo92 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#Web3 Fixes this

Don't know if this is a joke. "Web3" makes problems like this even more complicated because domain name resolution needs a single central point of trust.

I'm sure someone can make an ICO to "solve" that problem, write a white paper and promptly disappear after the pump and dump is over.

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by Closi »

danlugo92 wrote: post #65
Closi wrote: post #8

If ICANN wasn't just a giant extortion racket they would have yanked this from Google squatting on it years ago - clearly they haven't actually met any of the listed goals considering they have never used the TLD (or opened them for general availability like their original application implies). In reality all ICANN cares about is $$$

#Web3 Fixes this

Oh god, I don't need my domain to be another form of currency.

If Web3 ever becomes a thing I look forward to seeing the chaos that ensues when the inevitable happens, and a major domain name gets stolen with absolutely zero dispute resolution and where the attackers can also hijack all incoming traffic to steal credentials or install malware. Then it will be mathematically impossible to recover without paying whatever ransom the attackers like for the return (if the attackers even decide they want to sell!).

DNS Poisoning was bad enough, this would be a total wipeout.

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by hetspookjee »

dmingod666 wrote: post #69
Closi wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google will have paid ICANN $500k just to read the application for these TLD's ($185k * 3) and has paid them an additional $500k since then just to maintain them. I'm not wholly convinced that ICANN is operating solely out of a sense of generosity. It sounds to me more like "pay me a lot of money and I will look after you" (i.e. a protection racket). I suspect ICANN is actually motivated to look after google as a hig…

TBF, 500k + 500k for controlling 3 TLDs (333k/TLD) is not a lot of money. For Google it's a rounding error.

It sometimes is astounding how cheap bribery can be, right?

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by temporarrry0923 »

hereforphone wrote: post #49
mintplant wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KiwiFarms is excluded for all the doxing and stalking material, not for "unpopular opinions".

KiwiFarms isn't the only example. And would you provide a source for your assertion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

> Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is an American Internet forum dedicated to the discussion of online figures and communities it deems "lolcows" (people who can be "milked for laughs"). The targets of threads are often subject to doxing and other forms of organized group trolling, harassment, and stalking, including real-life harassment by users.[2][3] Harassment stemming from Kiwi Farms has been implicated in the suicides of three people targeted by users of the site.[9]

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by dang »

danlugo92 wrote: post #65
Closi wrote: post #8

If ICANN wasn't just a giant extortion racket they would have yanked this from Google squatting on it years ago - clearly they haven't actually met any of the listed goals considering they have never used the TLD (or opened them for general availability like their original application implies). In reality all ICANN cares about is $$$

#Web3 Fixes this

Please don't take HN threads on generic flamewar tangents. The last thing we need is to repeat that one over again.

That's not to say there can't be substantive discussion about Web3 but it would need to be seeded with interesting new information, not a throwaway one-liner.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by ktorvald »

derefr wrote: post #37
nothis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can a commercial company own a top level domain like ".app"? I get that they own .youtube or .google but isn't that way too generic? Like a company owning the copyright for the word "Company"?

These companies don't really "own" the names. They're paying $180k/yr for the privilege of ICANN delegating the responsibility of managing that gTLD to them. But this privilege isn't any kind of legal right; the company doesn't have a deed to or easement on that gTLD that would hold up in court. ICANN has just agreed, as their side of the contract, to 1. accept that company's zone-registration modifications vis-a-vis…

Our company tried to register a TLD with ICANN. ICANN's process was so complicated, when we asked questions, they suggested we hire a law firm to help us. Turns out the partner at the firm was a former ICANN employee so they referred us to their former colleague.

This law firm wanted $250k up front for the application, told us it could take over 2 years, and did not offer any guarantees that the TLD we wanted would be approved. It's a total scam up and down.

I'm no expert on Handshake, but it has a built in open auction system for registering TLDs. It seems to be the best alternative to the ICANN cabal and an actually decent use case for a blockchain. We bought the TLD we wanted on Handshake, and it cost less than $1,000. If we could only get browsers to support it...

https://handshake.org

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by josteink »

sascha_sl wrote: post #19
hereforphone wrote: post #10

In a sense, dangerous. Google has a history of (and currently practices) censoring viewpoints it disagrees with. Will its censorship reach extend from omitting / deprioritizing search results to entirely canceling those using its TLDs that it deems undesirable?

Domains aren't like your Google account.

But they could be owned by a Google account if bought through the Google registrar.

What happens when that Google account gets locked or banned?

Re: Google owns TLDs: .web .meme and .lol

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

Ah, every time I read about vanity TLDs (are they called that? Can I call them that?) I sigh at the brokenness of attaching structure/constraints to domains and TLDs...

At least the country TLDs made sense, plus things like .org for non-profits and .gov for US governments. And then things like bit.ly, look.at, blah.io overrode all of that. I wonder what ".lol" should be for, parody sites? Like whitehouse.lol, google.lol? ycombinator.lol? The first 2 probably can't exist because hey, this is an oligocracy.

Congrats to AOL, I guess, their idea with AOL keywords was actually superior, and we're returning to that. Already on TV ads that I see, they just say "Search for $BRAND/$PRODUCT to find out more".

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