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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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vaccines reduce transmission and severity, this virus has killed over 5 million people in 2 years

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It's dramatically effective in reducing spread. Unvaccinated people are driving 85-90% of the spread in Germany. https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/

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> The department said if an employee doesn’t report to work or is suspended or terminated for refusing to comply with a vaccine mandate, the employer should indicate that they quit, took a leave of absence or were dismissed – potentially disqualifying them from collecting EI. Why isn't this fraud?

Fraud would require prosecution. Is Edmonton going to prosecute Minister of Employment for the directive? Or the HR dept for the illegal classification (is it illegal if given a Minister directive)? Does this get challenged in Canadian courts?

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Uh, source? Media very much likes to simplify these things, but if you think of this in a probabilistic/continuous manner, rather than a "yes spread vs no spread" approach, the vaccines obviously reduce spread?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vacci... You're right that there's no definite answer to this, but the general consensus among doctors is that it doesn't prevent the virus from spreading.

“Doesn’t prevent” isn’t the same thing as “doesn’t reduce”.

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If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

Do we ban people from driving if they refuse to wear seatbelts?

In most places with seatbelt laws: yes

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I can understand why the push for vaccines even though they don't stop spreading and catching it. They seem to improve chances of survival and lessen chances of severe disease.

That said, if the government takes away benefits, then it should give back all the taxes withheld on one's salary before it does that.

On another note, personally I don't see any other solution to the pandemic, other than everybody/most people gaining some kind of natural immunity. Places requiring some form of green pass are none other than VIP superspreader events, where the Green Pass is the VIP ticket. People holding the Green Pass, will then go to meet others who may or may not be vaccinated, but who will eventually catch Covid.

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Horrible logic. Seatbelts are in the same position. They are mandatory and greatly reduce harm done in an accident. Same thing for the vaccines, you won't die and won't likely be using an ICU bed that other patients need. Go spread your FUD elsewhere.

You can take your seatbelt off when you’re done driving

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

Here is the video source, in case someone doesn't believe that he said that (I didn't, at first): https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/12/trudeau-calls-the-...

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I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

Wait, do I understand this correctly that because you have heard of cases happening in vaccinated people, without studying them as broad populations, you think there isn’t a statistical difference in vaccinated and unvaccinated people as a population?

Why?

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