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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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The same term is used for cattle. I guess species at the top of the food chain choose the terms of art. I wouldn't be surprised, though, to learn that the monkeys have their own sound/ utterance to mean the killing of people.

What do you mean same is used for cattle?

He means “cull” is a term we use for killing cattle.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

> how strong are these monkeys? I believe the right question is, how intelligent and distempered are these monkeys? Intelligence > brawn Strength is mostly immaterial once I (as a hypothetical monkey) understand that I can use my agility to rip your eyeballs from their sockets, which then effectively removes your ability to pose a threat to me.

Completely ridiculous. Intelligence matters in a fight, but raw strength is always more important. Try fighting a gorilla and see how you do.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Strength doesn't come into the picture with monkeys. They attack by biting and scratching and often from hidden places like tree tops or rooftops. In many parts of India, the dogs are afraid to even bark at them. That said, adult monkeys are pretty big (3.5-4 feet) and aren't all that light weight. Anecdotally, a baby monkey fell into our neighbors house through bars on the roof and a group of almost 100 monkeys surr…

That is some "planet of the apes" level situation

Add a mysterious global virus to the mix and you have a movie. Oh wait, that's reality.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived and the dogs never tried to attack the monkeys after that instance. It was such a surreal scene that me an my friends couldn't believe what we witnessed. Monkeys, esp Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

> how strong are these monkeys? I believe the right question is, how intelligent and distempered are these monkeys? Intelligence > brawn Strength is mostly immaterial once I (as a hypothetical monkey) understand that I can use my agility to rip your eyeballs from their sockets, which then effectively removes your ability to pose a threat to me.

> Strength is mostly immaterial once I (as a hypothetical monkey) understand that I can use my agility to rip your eyeballs from their sockets, which then effectively removes your ability to pose a threat to me.

Strength is material once you understand that this hypothetical human can use some kind of weapon or just something long and blunt to bash your brains out.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? I would say male adult monkeys in my village can (males are bigger and stronger), although they don’t. They are fast, agile and acrobatic. Except for well prepared adult humans, monkeys can throw everyone else off a ledge. Reason so many monkeys exist in India is because they are sacred animals (to Hindus, 80% population). In our village, no one can kill t…

Do you think this could change ?

Possibly but Hinduism is 4000 years old, so it might be a while before we see that change.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

All wild animals are stronger than they look. Humans are comparatively weak.. most of us can’t fight a deer. Monkeys are intelligent. They are aware of leverage and potential danger. They jump on people, chase, scratch and bite them

Deer? Those are from 500 pounds to over one thousand pounds. Oh courses a person can’t engage in a physical fight with them.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I'd bet a pair of them could pick up and throw a human; if they could get the co-ordination right. 50lbs of dog is a bad opponent for a human, 2 of them and humans lose that fight fairly often. Some of the dogs in the video I saw were that size and larger; so if the monkeys can harass and herd them effectively then I'd expect them to be able to do it to a human as well. A human prepared to fight and ready to start ki…

The article said the humans have "culled" about 1000 of the monkeys. It's interesting that we use different euphemisms depending on who's doing the killing.

We have different words for different types of killing. We say “slaughter” when we’re talking about killing a farm animal for food, and “cull” when talking about killing animals for the purpose of population management. Likewise we have “murder” for intentionally killing a person vs “manslaughter” for an accidental/less-culpable killing, and “euthanise” to describe killing something that is already dying so as to end its suffering.

What the article describes is accurately described as culling, or killing for population control.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

Have You ever tried to pull Yourself up to the top of a tree with 1 arm in 30 seconds?

Has little to do with strength.

Haftor can't really do this, but I'm pretty sure he can rip one of those monkeys in half if he catches it.

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