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GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by _s_a_m_ »

egeozcan wrote: post #51
s3tz wrote: post #43

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Not exactly, it's a service with unpredictable output. This isn't like a knife where you know what will happen depending on how you use it.

Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable. Try writing on 4chan that you are depressed and gasp in horror how horrible humans can be when anonymous. Okay maybe it is indeed very predictable what would happen on 4chan, but I hope you get my point. Here the AI is just a tool, we shouldn't categorize them as some "special" software.

> Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable

Not particularly the best comparison, we are talking here about applications and services which we sell and we have to make sure that we have the confidence that we can trust our own systems and the customer can rely on our word and engineering skills. Right now we are still in the primordial soup of AI. As long as we do not have proper methods to verify and certify our models, they are dangerous and unpredictable.

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by egeozcan »

_s_a_m_ wrote: post #71
egeozcan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable. Try writing on 4chan that you are depressed and gasp in horror how horrible humans can be when anonymous. Okay maybe it is indeed very predictable what would happen on 4chan, but I hope you get my point. Here the AI is just a tool, we shouldn't categorize them as some "special" software.

> Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable Not particularly the best comparison, we are talking here about applications and services which we sell and we have to make sure that we have the confidence that we can trust our own systems and the customer can rely on our word and engineering skills. Right now we are still in the primordial soup of AI. As long as we do not have proper methods…

Please see my other response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29576981

As a summary, generating content isn't new and just increases your moderation load. AI is not something "special". It's just software, at the end.

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by speedcoder »

egeozcan wrote: post #68
bsjks wrote: post #58

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If you ask in certain boards and make an effort to write your post detailing what’s going on, you will only receive helpful responses.

Those boards have better moderation, something you need regardless of AI, which is my point. AI doesn't add more danger to the situation, you just need to moderate as usual. If you are using some computer program to add more content to your web site, you will just have more content to moderate. News aggregators do have this problem for example, as sometimes automated crawlers post sensitive content and that needs to…

Does "moderation" require bias? For that matter, can knowledge exist without bias?

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by stavros »

manojlds wrote: post #15
TulliusCicero wrote: post #10

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Yeah, it’s pretty disappointing given their name. More like ClosedAI am I rite guyz

Is it even AI?

Well, it nearly passes the Turing test in my subjective evaluations, so make of that what you will.

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by stavros »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #5
fenomas wrote: post #3

Looks neat, but note that OpenAI is basically an App Store model - whatever you make with it cannot be shown to more than five people unless OpenAI has reviewed and explicitly approved your project. And their usage guidelines are pretty narrow - "open-ended chatbots" are explicitly disallowed, for example. > https://beta.openai.com/docs/going-live > https://beta.openai.com/docs/usage-guidelines/use-case-guide...

Yea, this made me look to alternatives and I mainly use Huggingface instead. I don't want to wake up one day and learn that a side project got rejected by a higher power and I have to write a HN post to get my account unlocked.

What model do you use with Huggingface? Huggingface is just a wrapper.

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by stavros »

robbedpeter wrote: post #33
modeless wrote: post #24

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There's no public model of the same size as the biggest GPT-3 yet, is there? I'd use GPT-3 to see what's possible, and then try to replicate the performance with the smaller public models. With the pace of AI development it's likely that GPT-3 will be matched by an open model in the not too distant future, but it's nice to be able to prototype with GPT-3 now to get a head start.

Gpt-J is of comparable quality, within 7-10% of the performance of gpt-3 in almost all metrics. It's also much smaller and less expensive to run. The higher quality training data and better tweaks to the algorithm paid off - the license, restrictions, and cost of gpt-3 aren't necessarily valuable enough to justify not using gpt-j.

Hmm, that's very interesting! Do you know if there's a hosted service anywhere? I don't mind paying a few dollars a month for my small use case, but my usage can't justify the huge server it needs to run.

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by ceejayoz »

egeozcan wrote: post #72
_s_a_m_ wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable Not particularly the best comparison, we are talking here about applications and services which we sell and we have to make sure that we have the confidence that we can trust our own systems and the customer can rely on our word and engineering skills. Right now we are still in the primordial soup of AI. As long as we do not have proper methods…

Please see my other response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29576981 As a summary, generating content isn't new and just increases your moderation load. AI is not something "special". It's just software, at the end.

That’s a bit like saying machine guns aren’t an improvement over bows and arrows because they both throw projectiles, isn’t it?

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by fenomas »

arcastroe wrote: post #66
kreeben wrote: post #65

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This freaked me right out! I'm not sure which is more terrifying, the beginning or the end. Or the middle. All this generated from a prompt? What what the prompt? Be truthful now.

"The following is an entertaining short story: Once upon a time, there was" Everything else that follows is GPT-3.

It's guided by users right? I.e. every line was hand-chosen by a human, from a bunch of generated options?

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by egeozcan »

speedcoder wrote: post #73
egeozcan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those boards have better moderation, something you need regardless of AI, which is my point. AI doesn't add more danger to the situation, you just need to moderate as usual. If you are using some computer program to add more content to your web site, you will just have more content to moderate. News aggregators do have this problem for example, as sometimes automated crawlers post sensitive content and that needs to…

Does "moderation" require bias? For that matter, can knowledge exist without bias?

> Does "moderation" require bias?

Objectively yes. Information on correctly peeling a pineapple is ok? Processing chicken to cook it? What about a dog? A rat? Fish? Insects? Is killing millions of bacteria with a single drop of chemical okay? Ways to commit suicide? What if this video is for prevention?

When it comes to moderation, we can't even set a consistent rule set to "deal with it all (c)". We just wing it, and hope it matches the expectations of our majority of our users... and the government(s)! Yeah governments have rules, but they tend to change towards the expectations, and a lot of rules for interpretation. It's a very hard task.

> For that matter, can knowledge exist without bias?

Umm... I don't know what that would mean. Isn't science there to reduce the amount of bias in knowledge? So, maybe, no? We can hope to reduce it, but we cannot get rid of it? At this point I don't really know what I'm talking about to be honest :)

Re: GPT-3 APIs are now in public beta

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Post by jfoster »

prometheon1 wrote: post #67
fenomas wrote: post #3

Looks neat, but note that OpenAI is basically an App Store model - whatever you make with it cannot be shown to more than five people unless OpenAI has reviewed and explicitly approved your project. And their usage guidelines are pretty narrow - "open-ended chatbots" are explicitly disallowed, for example. > https://beta.openai.com/docs/going-live > https://beta.openai.com/docs/usage-guidelines/use-case-guide...

This seems like a difficult topic, I remember when the first GPTs came out everyone was worried how it would flood the internet with fake news (first example I could find: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19833094 ). This review process seems like a reasonable solution to this problem, and personally I can't think of a better one, can you?

It is just delaying the inevitable, though, right? The problem of a flood of fake spam content is still not too far into the future, just not going to be powered by OpenAI specifically.
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