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PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#71

Time and time again I try to switch to Firefox. But it always seems to fall short (for me at least). I rely too much on separate profiles to disconnect work-related browsing from personal browsing. Separate bookmarks, sessions, browser plugins, sync preferences etc... A UI that's as powerful is literally all that is needed for me anyway. Its such a shame they've neglected the Profile Manager.

You can still manage profiles in FF via about:profiles, but I 100% agree it's not accessible enough.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#72

Color me shocked. Why does anyone use Chrome anymore? Firefox is better in every way, and it isn’t tied to the biggest data harvester the world has ever known.

I've been using Firefox for more than 15 years, so I'm not a hater or anything like that.

Maybe it's just a MacOS thing, but parts of Firefox are a mess and it has downsides compared to Chromium or Safari.

- Javascript-heavy sites are often slower on Firefox for me.

- On the security side of things (sandboxing, etc), Firefox often lags behind Chromium.

- There's a site or two that don't work well. Sometimes it's the site's fault, sometimes it's Firefox that is lagging behind on something.

- It would use way more power than Chrome until last year. It has improved and I think they're more or less the same now, but both are still worse than Safari.

- Profile management is there, but nothing compared to Chromium. And no, containers are not the same thing (although they are nice).

- The UI is all over the place. You have windows that still look like Firefox 3... and they've been through 2 or 3 major UI redesigns. The margins on the bookmarks bar doesn't even fit the new design. There are amateur projects out there that do a better job at this.

- Talking of bookmarks, why the heck the cmd/ctrl+click behaviour is different on bookmark links and links on web pages?

- It doesn't handle different languages well. No in-page translation, no automatic language detection for text correction, etc.

Firefox works. If Chromium disappeared tomorrow, it would be good enough for many... but is it the best browser? For uBlock Origin? Sure! But is it the best browser overall? Nope. At least not on Macs.

If Mozilla wants people to use Firefox, they need to create a better product because the "help the open web!", "google bad!", etc, only works with people that use HN.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#73
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Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

Firstly 'very mild annoyance' for you maybe, I'd rather eat bricks then watch the endless ads and popups. Now a good old advertisement, like you'd get in magazines, target based on context are fine. Even some TV commercials are fine, I'd rather not have 20 minute on the hour of them, but meh.

It's all the low effort, spammy targeted crap that is the problem imo.

And 'ads also help small businesses to grow' is bs if you ask me.

- online ads are largely for the big business as small business gets crowded out & out-spend on search terms etc.

- targeted ads do not contribute meaningfully to conversion if you look close enough. Conversion metrics are crap as they do not account for the huge selection bias involved.

- marketing in general contributes nothing to society, it is all busy-work that changes nothing but maybe moving some people around between brands. It is a zero-sum game where the everybody keeps spending more and more and more for less impact & the market as whole is not impacted.

- 70 to 90% of all clicks & impressions are by bots.

- Content creators get jack shit for advertisements, if you pay like 1$ a month for someone's patreon or whatever you are generating more revenue then watching a thousand ads.

And then there is all the nefarious uses of targeted advertising that follow from it...

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#75

Time and time again I try to switch to Firefox. But it always seems to fall short (for me at least). I rely too much on separate profiles to disconnect work-related browsing from personal browsing. Separate bookmarks, sessions, browser plugins, sync preferences etc... A UI that's as powerful is literally all that is needed for me anyway. Its such a shame they've neglected the Profile Manager.

I know this doesn't address all of the points you brought up, but I heavily use Multi-Account Containers[1] to isolate social, work, shopping, etc. It works well, for me. I don't miss Chrome profiles.

[1]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#76

Time and time again I try to switch to Firefox. But it always seems to fall short (for me at least). I rely too much on separate profiles to disconnect work-related browsing from personal browsing. Separate bookmarks, sessions, browser plugins, sync preferences etc... A UI that's as powerful is literally all that is needed for me anyway. Its such a shame they've neglected the Profile Manager.

But Firefox has Tab Containers? They are (afaik) not fully fledged profiles but rather separated containers (cookies, history etc)

None of the ‘etc’ includes things that would properly support separate work vs personal profiles to the point that your company doesn’t need to access your personal data to inspect it in case of discovery requests / court order. Having proper separate profiles also allows sync so that an office PC can use the work profile only, while at home you have access to both work + personal and your work profile syncs with that of your office pc.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#77
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Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

To put it as politely as I possibly can: advertisers can suck my ass. They could have been good citizens, but they've proven time and time again they'd rather be the scum of the goddamned earth and use every annoying and malicious trick in the book to fool you into paying attention to their bullshit for the second or two it takes to make their shit go away instead. Not to mention all the overhead of their shit making…

Hehe well put, we are way past the point of wanting to put up with ads as users.

The question is how far Google wants to take Manifest V3. The current path will mean a huge boost for browsers with Manifest V2 capability, e.g. Brave, Firefox and to some extent Safari.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#78
If you are on a Mac, I suggest that you try Orion browser (currently in beta) [1]. It is based on WebKit, with a custom port of web extensions API [2].

Not only that it runs Chrome and Firefox web extensions like uBlock Origin but we will be keeping support for Manifest v2.

[1] https://browser.kagi.com

[2] https://browser.kagi.com/WebExtensions-API-Support.html

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care if they have my data. You should. They're inventing new ways to use this data against you all the time. For example, there has been some effort to profile you based on the price you pay for goods on the internet. They assign you a "sucker score". Once you're classified as a sucker, the price you get offered is higher than what a "non-sucker" might receive. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/201…

Ok, what more can they do with it? Is that the worst scenario? Inequal pricing? Not really a _new_ ideea, and I doubt that make a large enough impact to make me care.

No, that is absolutely not the worst scenario.

People are being refused jobs and treated as criminal suspects based on their location profile. Insurance rates are being increased based on these profiles. Real estate agents and auto dealerships are starting to use this data in their negotiations with you.

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