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For those wondering, Kropotkin was a Russian anarchist philosopher. He’s most famous for “The Conquest of Bread”.
He was also a biologist, countering Darwin by stating there is as much (or more) cooporation in nature as there is conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evol...
Kropotkin escapes from prison
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Which has even less to do with communism though.
Communism != Marxism.
But yes, we'll agree that the most widely-known brand of marxism is in fact the very opposite of communism (as defined by a Stateless/classless society).
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#73That was great. While in jail I only had two serious opportunities to escape. The first an unscheduled incoming call from an embassy official meant I was brought to a secure area to use a special phone. It was right by the sally port [0] which normally has at least one door closed. Both were open. I could have run directly out to the street. The guards do not carry their guns inside the jail. The second was on a run…
Surely even if they had guns, murdering you is not an appropriate response to a possible escape?
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
For those wondering, Kropotkin was a Russian anarchist philosopher. He’s most famous for “The Conquest of Bread”.
He was also a biologist, countering Darwin by stating there is as much (or more) cooporation in nature as there is conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evol...
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a 1% escape rate seems egregious
Wouldn’t it be less than 0.2%? It parsed to me as less than 1 out of 100 out of those who have the opportunity via work release or other community integration initiatives.
Re: Kropotkin escapes from prison
#77That was great. While in jail I only had two serious opportunities to escape. The first an unscheduled incoming call from an embassy official meant I was brought to a secure area to use a special phone. It was right by the sally port [0] which normally has at least one door closed. Both were open. I could have run directly out to the street. The guards do not carry their guns inside the jail. The second was on a run…
Surely even if they had guns, murdering you is not an appropriate response to a possible escape?
In general (but not always, not in e.g. armed escape) there is a requirement of warning, giving a chance to surrender without violence, but if they refuse to surrender, the society has decided that it is acceptable to shoot to kill. It's not murder (murder being unlawful killing), it's enforcement of the designated proper punishment (staying imprisoned for a certain time) by the threat of death. The death penalty isn't appropriate for most (or even any) crimes, other penalties are, and they are free to take (and expected to take) those other penalties and avoid the risk of death - however, if they intentionally refuse the appropriate punishment (prison sentence) and try to escape, that is their own choice of putting their life on the line.
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Depends on how dangerous the criminal is. For a serial killer? Yeah, it might be.
Even a "suspected" serial killer isn't a serial killer until convicted and jailed as such (innocent until proven guilty) if they had access to the street to try and make their getaway.
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#80That was great. While in jail I only had two serious opportunities to escape. The first an unscheduled incoming call from an embassy official meant I was brought to a secure area to use a special phone. It was right by the sally port [0] which normally has at least one door closed. Both were open. I could have run directly out to the street. The guards do not carry their guns inside the jail. The second was on a run…
As far as I know in the country where I live non violent criminals are treated much more leniently. They have “vacations” where they can go back to their families for holidays like Christmas and special events. If they do run away they’ll get a much bigger sentence, so people just return so they can get it over with.