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Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by kubb »

shanehoban wrote: post #66
kubb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

Nah, he's right. I play league. Coding all day is much less draining.

Except when you're drained you won't have the creativity to solve another programming task. But you will be able to queue up again. It also gets easier the more you play, because you're relying on the same skills that you build up with every match.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by Kiro »

munk-a wrote: post #40
Kiro wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I honestly believe the donation model (which is the big share of their revenue) shows a glimmer of hope in capitalism. I wish for a future where it's norm not only for streamers but also companies to have the majority of their revenue come from donations.

I think, for the majority of streamers, the way to set expenses is by looking at long term subscribers rather than day-to-day donations - those donos can fund fun things but you're going to want to try and keep your life expenses carried by the regular subscription income. A lot of the people who have gotten successful doing this have endured extremely lean times when they were trying to break into a decent sized aud…

Aren't subscriptions basically just a monthly donation? What do I get for subscribing apart from the icon in front of my name in chat and possibly a shoutout?

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by kevmo314 »

ridaj wrote: post #61
dvt wrote: post #46

Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

The challenge is that many of them have unsustainable always-on relationships with their audience that seriously burn them out. Sure folks should be free to do what they want with their life but remember they're not the only ones getting the benefit, they're feeding a bunch of social and merchandising platforms that make big $ on their backs - so the question becomes, what responsibility does the platform have toward…

Do investment banks have a responsibility towards not burning out their employees?

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by butwhywhyoh »

npinsker wrote: post #35

This reads as very biased and judgmental. It treats streamers as kids who can't take care of themselves and don't understand the long-term impact of their lifestyle and career choice. It honestly makes me wonder if the author is jealous of the subject. It seems like the piece is really reaching to make Tyler's life appear as irresponsible as possible. Plenty of people in all careers don't know how to run their lives…

What makes you think it's judgmental?

If they had instead wrote the article about a drug dealer making $500k a year, explaining the downsides of that line of work, would you also think the journalist was just jealous?

The point of the article is that this seems like a lifestyle destined to cause issues later in life.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by varelse »

belval wrote: post #54
dvt wrote: post #46

Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

The article mentions that Tyler makes $300k per year in merchandise alone (so excluding any actual sponsored content). Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. Where is the line? Is entertainment only valid on TV? YouTube? Some commenters here even said that it's all good now but that it won't work in his thirties or something as if there aren't a ton of jobs out there that…

I knew G to PG-13 rated camgirls that were making six figures back in 1997 to 2000. They eventually got disrupted by the adult industry providing more explicit content for much less money upfront. OnlyFans seems to have reinvented this model at scale, but what's the average margin for an OnlyFans provider? $180/month.

https://influencermarketinghub.com/glossary/onlyfans/

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by Permit »

kubb wrote: post #62
Permit wrote: post #51

Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

Have you played League of Legends or Dota 2 before? It will be hard to convey the mental/emotional exhaustion that most people feel from playing MOBAs at even a semi-competitive level. In my experience it's a lot different than playing FPS or other games.

I have a distinct memory of finishing a game of Dota 2 and realizing that it felt as though I'd just finished a 3 hour exam. I didn't feel happy that we'd won, just relieved. I don't think this will convince you, but perhaps consider being open to the possibility that it genuinely is as difficult as solving most programming problems that we face in our day-to-day work. In my mind, it's at least as difficult as "easy" leetcode problems.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by butwhywhyoh »

Permit wrote: post #51

Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

Some heroin users are also incredibly dedicated to finding their next score. They show intense focus when it comes to seeking out their next hit.

Why do you think demonstrating focus on an addictive video game is the same as solving open-ended computer science problems?

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by danny_codes »

obstacle1 wrote: post #65
belval wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying this is a real job prospect. If a kid told me he wanted to be a Twitch streamer I'd say he can't be one, same as professional singer or musician in general. What I am saying that what Tyler has very much is a real job and successful business. You wouldn't say Taylor Swift is jobless because very few people make it in the pop music world.

>If a kid told me he wanted to be a Twitch streamer I'd say he can't be one You'd be lying though, and your kid would probably grow up to resent it. There are ways to educate kids about the relative risks of careers in good faith.

I believe OP was being hyperbolic.
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