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Re: AWS down again?

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On the contrary, downtime is inevitable and I think I'd rather have downtime when all my competitors do too.

How about having uptime while your competitors have downtime?

Which, given that downtime is inevitable, leads to you having downtime while all your competitors have uptime.

Have fun with that…

Re: AWS down again?

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Do you think people who manage their own data-centers never have outages?

When they do, they at least have the ability to do something about it.

Until they need to order a replacement piece of hardware and there is a three month backorder lag

Re: AWS down again?

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I think this adds some momentum to the pendulum swinging back the other way. Maybe cloud teams can patch your services better than your in-house team can (See 2 critical issues in Azure the last 3 months, _caused_ by MS itself). Maybe the cloud has a higher uptime than your on-premise infrastructure (see the AWS, Azure outages). Make sure to compare the actual outage time v.s. the stats doctored by various political…

Even if you can manage more uptime on your own than through the cloud (which I doubt), being on the cloud means downtime is correlated with downtime of other services. That's usually a good thing. Your customers will be more understanding if your outage is part if a wider outage that makes national news. Any services you integrate with are likely down too. If two services with 99% uncorrelated uptime together drops t…

Or they could see their entire product line break at the same time, in such a way that they cannot mitigate

Re: AWS down again?

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post #21

I think this adds some momentum to the pendulum swinging back the other way. Maybe cloud teams can patch your services better than your in-house team can (See 2 critical issues in Azure the last 3 months, _caused_ by MS itself). Maybe the cloud has a higher uptime than your on-premise infrastructure (see the AWS, Azure outages). Make sure to compare the actual outage time v.s. the stats doctored by various political…

Also, not all uptime is equal or worth of the price.

What would be more valuable to you:

1. 99.5% uptime where unscheduled downtime is max 10 minutes vs.

2. 99.5% uptime where unscheduled downtime comes in 2-5 hour chunks.

Re: AWS down again?

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Only the most informed and rational companies will see how and why most of this "in the cloud" thing is a bad idea. Most will accept it as a fact of life and continue to pay for it both directly and indirectly, as long as there's cheap money going around the cloud business can't do wrong. But it's hilarious to see people indulging in byzantine "World scale" resilient systems that depend on a single vendor.

Would you rather have to fix your own data center, or wait 4 hours. AWS works 99% of the time,plus it's someone else's problem

In my industry, five nines is the starting level. You're proposing something 1,000 times worse.

Re: AWS down again?

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Only the most informed and rational companies will see how and why most of this "in the cloud" thing is a bad idea. Most will accept it as a fact of life and continue to pay for it both directly and indirectly, as long as there's cheap money going around the cloud business can't do wrong. But it's hilarious to see people indulging in byzantine "World scale" resilient systems that depend on a single vendor.

Have you heard about the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy?

Re: AWS down again?

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Gotta love how polite standard business Japanese is. It's no wonder they named their moon probe after this national treasure of a philosophy.

I don't follow. It seems like an almost exact translation to all the other languages for this error page.

You've never pondered the beauty and provenance of phrases like moushiwake arimasen or omachi kudasai, I take it?

I mean, you could say they mean we're sorry and please wait, but that's also just wrong in a whole other way.

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