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Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by chiefofgxbxl »

Question about Firefox's future and Mozilla's corporate leadership:

Last week I made a slide deck and 20 min demo video of some features I feel like are fundamental to web browsers that none of them have. I think Mozilla is - in principle / on paper - the best organization to embody the principles that my ideas espouse.

The general HN attitude toward Mozilla seems to be that it's a leadership issue.

Is there any hope that I could send my pitch/demo-video and be heard out? Is there any hope that Mozilla can revive itself, or, if the problem is in fact bad corporate leadership, is the organization essentially doomed with no recourse?

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by tomxor »

streptomycin wrote: post #7
Nextgrid wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why they bother with user-agents in the first place. It's more of a fingerprinting vector than anything else, especially considering Firefox's browser marketshare. Just hardcode it to Chrome's once and for all.

Sometimes browsers have bugs that cannot be identified with feature detection, in which case the user agent is all we have to know when to work around those bugs.

This^

I like Firefox, but it's the only browser to blindly follow the questionable and backwards incompatible parts of the SVG-2 spec... I challenge anyone to identify that SVG-2 is implemented instead of SVG-1 without parsing the useragent string.

The former is backwards incompatible (implemented in Firefox) and will render some nice black shapes if you've previously relied upon target context CSS rules for inheritance that have been supported by SVG-1 for the last decade. AFAIK you can only see this in the output since the inside of the element is a shadow DOM inaccessible to JavaScript, so you cannot determine computed styles. For this reason I wrote an "unpolyfill" [0] that implements some of SVG-1 elements with mutation-observers in JS, albeit in a not 100% correct way. Even so, it still needs to be explicitly enabled, depending one something else to parse the useragent string.

We enjoy far more consistency than a decade ago, but browsers are incredibly complex, and there will no doubt continue to be obscure differences that are difficult or impossible to detect programmatically. Rendering differences most of all.

[0] https://github.com/ThomasBrierley/svg2use-unpolyfill

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by usrlocal1023 »

wenc wrote: post #33
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

I moved from Chrome to Firefox a year ago, because: 1) Multi-account containers - open each tab in an isolated container with its own session cookies etc. Use case? Login to multiple Google/Azure/AWS/etc accounts at the same time on different tabs. This is a game-changer if you have to login to multiple cloud accounts because you work for a multinational and each subsidiary you support is on a different tenant. 2) Fi…

Also, one more thing to note, uBlock Origin works better in Firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by prohobo »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #36
prohobo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are "the far-right's pet hardware projects"? We shouldn't use Brave because the CEO, not the company, has a particular political (and moral) position you don't approve of - one which has no chance in hell of ever becoming law. This is the guy who invented JavaScript, should we also stop using that? Are you saying he's a neo nazi or neo nazi sympathizer? I noticed that Mozilla is making decisions that work agains…

The "Freedom Phone" is one of the more high profile examples. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/technology/freedom-phone-... As for Javascript, hopefully the difference between an abstract programming language he doesn't have total control over and a closed-sourced software project that handles your personal data on a daily basis is obvious.

Oh, we should fear the fascist underpinnings of a "privacy focused" phone with an "uncensorable app store" designed by a yuppie who has no idea what he's doing.

Are you being serious?

I was expecting some kind of phone that blocks certain political viewpoints and reports your location and activities to the authorities.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by thayne »

newsbinator wrote: post #28

This is silly, but one of the main things I like about Firefox is being able to drag a sizable JSON file on top of it and getting that JSON in treeview, with a search filter. It's convenient out-of-the-box functionality.

That's a great feature

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by haha_lul »

bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

I find the way Firefox handles displaying lots of tabs in the top bar really intuitive - instead of trying to cram them all within the width of your display they overflow, allowing you to scroll through them while still being able to see favicons and some title text. Can’t remember if Brave uses the same approach as Chrome for this

Also if you’re hardcore about managing your tabs I hear people swear by tree-style tabs https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by basch »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #13
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

Well it hides website ads, which is fine, but has an option to then show its own ads instead, which is not. It has a history of injecting its own affiliate codes into your URLs. It has a history of accepting "donations" for people who cannot claim them, and pretending to represent those people. Many of their more egregious issues have been "fixed", but the pattern is clear. Their CEO provided institutional support to…

>but has an option to then show its own ads instead, which is not.

To be clear, the software pops up OS level ad notifications, whether you visit sites with ads to block or not. The two features are independent of each other.

It may still be a gray area, but its unfair to paint it as what its not.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by jonny_eh »

chiefofgxbxl wrote: post #71

Question about Firefox's future and Mozilla's corporate leadership: Last week I made a slide deck and 20 min demo video of some features I feel like are fundamental to web browsers that none of them have. I think Mozilla is - in principle / on paper - the best organization to embody the principles that my ideas espouse. The general HN attitude toward Mozilla seems to be that it's a leadership issue. Is there any hope…

Why not share it publicly? If the ideas are good, I'm sure they'll get adopted by someone.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by kibwen »

aeturnum wrote: post #27

> reduced the power usage of software decoded video on macOS Oh nice - tho Firefox is lower-power than Chrome for me it was noticeably bad on some video sites.

I didn't see it in any release notes, but AV1 decoding on Windows has also greatly improved in power consumption this year. My laptop used to nearly overheat when watching HD videos (Youtube started serving AV1 for HD within the past year), but nowadays it doesn't seem to cause any extra stress.
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