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Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by heyitsguay »

malermeister wrote: post #57
rglover wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? That is censorship. The correct answer is you don't. When you obscure evil, it propagates. When you shine a light on it, it disinfects. Awareness of the thing leads to discernment of the thing. Unless you think people are default evil, bad ideas will stay bad ideas without an intermediary forcing their will upon them.

That is an incredibly naive view of the world. Just look at all the disinformation rampant on Facebook and the antivax hellscape we now live in. You can't possibly look at that and think things got "disinfected" through awareness. > Unless you think people are default evil, bad ideas will stay bad ideas without an intermediary forcing their will upon them. This is also not correct. People aren't neccessarily evil by…

It also misses the point for a large class of data relevant to individual safety - if GP gets associated (truly or falsely) with [outrage of the week] and his buddy from HS recognizes the username, what happens when said buddy posts his address (or his kid's school address?) to an immutable data store. GP is a monster and the law isn't doing anything, we gotta take matters into our own hands!

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

#72

Post by zepto »

iskander wrote: post #63
whoisjuan wrote: post #25

I think the problem with the current state of Web3 is that it really doesn't seem to solve meaningful, mainstream problems yet. Even the most widely accepted use case which is crypto-currency fails to break out of the theoretical value outlined in the different white papers. I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. I have cryp…

>I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. This is entirely personal and subjective, but I prefer the user experience of Aave and Yearn to traditional banking with e.g. Chase. I also would way rather make large purchases with crypto (e.g. down payment on a house) compared with wiring money.

Why is ‘wiring’ so bad from your point of view?

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by daoismyname »

chrisco255 wrote: post #56
daoismyname wrote: post #23

that Web2 VS Web3 schema pretty much summarize what's wrong with the new internet based on brand identities instead of technical merits. A brief rebuttal: - Twitter can censor any account or Tweet: yes, but Twitter is not the web, you can host your own tweets, even for free. - Web3 tweets are better because decentralized: translations -> your thought are going to be forever visible to everybody and not even the autho…

If you create a "web3" website, it's up to you how decentralized you want that experience to be. You could have your content hosted on Filecoin, perform computation on ICP or Arweave, provide IPFS hashes to your users using open standards (HTML, JSON, Markdown, etc) with simple export functionality, open source code, ENS domain, etc. If you take payments on your site via crypto, I'm not sure what you mean by "not acc…

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Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by mplewis »

iskander wrote: post #63
whoisjuan wrote: post #25

I think the problem with the current state of Web3 is that it really doesn't seem to solve meaningful, mainstream problems yet. Even the most widely accepted use case which is crypto-currency fails to break out of the theoretical value outlined in the different white papers. I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. I have cryp…

>I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. This is entirely personal and subjective, but I prefer the user experience of Aave and Yearn to traditional banking with e.g. Chase. I also would way rather make large purchases with crypto (e.g. down payment on a house) compared with wiring money.

I wouldn't. The Bitcoin might not cover the down payment when it arrives ten minutes later.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

Uehreka wrote: post #33
whoisjuan wrote: post #25

I think the problem with the current state of Web3 is that it really doesn't seem to solve meaningful, mainstream problems yet. Even the most widely accepted use case which is crypto-currency fails to break out of the theoretical value outlined in the different white papers. I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. I have cryp…

I said this in another comment on this post, but check out ENS. I’ve been a blockchain skeptic for a long time (and still am about art NFTs and most other things) but the idea of “SSO without a company attached” feels like something the mainstream public actually does want (think of all the negative public sentiment around big tech companies harvesting data and the grudging acceptance people have of their dependence…

Wait until you learn that ENS domains are NFTS.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by rglover »

malermeister wrote: post #57
rglover wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? That is censorship. The correct answer is you don't. When you obscure evil, it propagates. When you shine a light on it, it disinfects. Awareness of the thing leads to discernment of the thing. Unless you think people are default evil, bad ideas will stay bad ideas without an intermediary forcing their will upon them.

That is an incredibly naive view of the world. Just look at all the disinformation rampant on Facebook and the antivax hellscape we now live in. You can't possibly look at that and think things got "disinfected" through awareness. > Unless you think people are default evil, bad ideas will stay bad ideas without an intermediary forcing their will upon them. This is also not correct. People aren't neccessarily evil by…

> That is an incredibly naive view of the world.

It's not. When you silence ignorant people, they get more radical and more willing to do things they otherwise wouldn't because they no longer have an outlet. Silencing a neo nazi forum increases the likelihood for "those f'ing j*s shut us down, let's get em!" behavior. And even if that didn't happen, it's far easier for law enforcement to surveil people planning violence if it's out in the open.

> Just look at QAnon for another example.

I know multiple people who went down this rabbit hole (one of them is still down it). And what I said above applied exactly when they started getting booted off social networks. Before then there was no plotting or aggressive stance. They just thought they were "on to something."

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by PretzelPirate »

mplewis wrote: post #74
iskander wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. This is entirely personal and subjective, but I prefer the user experience of Aave and Yearn to traditional banking with e.g. Chase. I also would way rather make large purchases with crypto (e.g. down payment on a house) compared with wiring money.

I wouldn't. The Bitcoin might not cover the down payment when it arrives ten minutes later.

The person you replied to said “crypto” not “Bitcoin”. They can convert their coins to an algorithmic stablecoin and make the payment in a single transaction with no price change.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by dperfect »

I completely agree with the author. I've been reading a lot about the EVM, and while there's some interesting technology involved, it feels unlikely to be able to support any worthwhile applications outside of blockchain finance or moving $ around the world[0] (since the code can really only directly reference the blockchain itself).

It's a bit like playing with a programming language in a sandbox that has (1) has no I/O functions[1], and (2) has enormous costs associated with even the most basic of computations. Ok, it's not like that; it is exactly that.

Sure, you could build a crypto toy and convince some suckers to transfer some of their wealth to you, but calling it an app platform or the next evolution of the web is definitely a stretch. I sincerely wish that wasn't the case (I'd love to find an exception), but that's what I've come to conclude.

[0] Don't get me wrong, there's tremendous value in being able to move money around the world without the blessing of governments and central banks!

[1] Any interaction with entities outside the blockchain require oracles, and at that point, you might as well throw away the other benefits of being on a blockchain.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by malermeister »

heyitsguay wrote: post #71
malermeister wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an incredibly naive view of the world. Just look at all the disinformation rampant on Facebook and the antivax hellscape we now live in. You can't possibly look at that and think things got "disinfected" through awareness. > Unless you think people are default evil, bad ideas will stay bad ideas without an intermediary forcing their will upon them. This is also not correct. People aren't neccessarily evil by…

It also misses the point for a large class of data relevant to individual safety - if GP gets associated (truly or falsely) with [outrage of the week] and his buddy from HS recognizes the username, what happens when said buddy posts his address (or his kid's school address?) to an immutable data store. GP is a monster and the law isn't doing anything, we gotta take matters into our own hands!

There's a lot of things this misses. It also completely misses the point on stuff like CP.

I know CP is bad and I have no interest in seeing it. However, I do also know that there is a group of people out there that do want to see it. Is the "anti-censorship" approach to just "shine a light on it" and let those people watch CP that's on the immutable data store?

This whole post doesn't just assume that people are by default good, it assumes that there are no bad people. That's the only scenario in which the proposed "solution" would work. Personally, that's not a bet I'm willing to make, or even entertain.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by Daishiman »

iskander wrote: post #63
whoisjuan wrote: post #25

I think the problem with the current state of Web3 is that it really doesn't seem to solve meaningful, mainstream problems yet. Even the most widely accepted use case which is crypto-currency fails to break out of the theoretical value outlined in the different white papers. I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. I have cryp…

>I own several crypto-currencies and there hasn't been a single moment in which I thought of buying something with a crypto-currency. This is entirely personal and subjective, but I prefer the user experience of Aave and Yearn to traditional banking with e.g. Chase. I also would way rather make large purchases with crypto (e.g. down payment on a house) compared with wiring money.

I have no idea who would accept crypto as payment given the gigantic price swings.
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