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Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by codegeek »

allan_s wrote: post #54
s-xyz wrote: post #19

Who is still using PHP anno 2021?

Rosaly.com (shameless plug) , the team of developer is 32 years old average, though we all come from different background and all used python/go/java/rust in some of our previous jobs or on our own opensource projects, we just want to get shit done. * it has its quirks but we know them and each newer version fix more of them. * its damn fast (more than python or ruby) * its type system is better than python (trait/in…

I.personally avoid "Shiny Language" developers.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by goalieca »

firefoxd wrote: post #30

I've been using PHP since 5.x. Often had to work on older 4.x web apps. I find it interesting when I read people saying "PHP has come a long way. It's a proper language now, etc." If you work long enough with a language and figure out most its quirks, it's a breeze. It's nice that they are adding all these new features, but they are hardly what makes it or break it for me. Here is the one features that is taken for g…

Once you throw that stuff in K8s, you’re back to 10seconds.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by tored »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #22
marcodiego wrote: post #6

Still holding the web. Happy to see it is continually evolving.

What's your estimate for PHP's long-term viability? I'm asking, because it was the hobbyists and kids who got started in PHP mucking around in their everyday white-label cPanel/Plesk-based web-hosting accounts in the very early 2000s that really gave PHP the mindshare of enthusiastic users and thus its staying power. But it's 2021 now: all the kids are getting started with NodeJS for server-side web-applications, not…

PHP bigwigs just announced the PHP Foundation to secure PHP’s future.

Announcement

https://blog.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/2021/11/the-php-foundati...

PHP Foundation

https://opencollective.com/phpfoundation

Accepts donations to help the development of PHP.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by the_gipsy »

firefoxd wrote: post #30

I've been using PHP since 5.x. Often had to work on older 4.x web apps. I find it interesting when I read people saying "PHP has come a long way. It's a proper language now, etc." If you work long enough with a language and figure out most its quirks, it's a breeze. It's nice that they are adding all these new features, but they are hardly what makes it or break it for me. Here is the one features that is taken for g…

With a proper type system you don’t need to run your code 50 times a minute.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by hu3 »

s-xyz wrote: post #19

Who is still using PHP anno 2021?

In August I did database related consulting for a client which is building a large CRUD'ish application in Laravel. I was intrigued with their decision and they said the tech stack was chosen based on speed of iteration and developer availability.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by Implicated »

the_gipsy wrote: post #74
firefoxd wrote: post #30

I've been using PHP since 5.x. Often had to work on older 4.x web apps. I find it interesting when I read people saying "PHP has come a long way. It's a proper language now, etc." If you work long enough with a language and figure out most its quirks, it's a breeze. It's nice that they are adding all these new features, but they are hardly what makes it or break it for me. Here is the one features that is taken for g…

With a proper type system you don’t need to run your code 50 times a minute.

As someone who isn't perfect, it's nice to be able to quickly iterate on ideas.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by rbanffy »

Genuinely curious: who here thinks PHP is a good choice for a new project and also has experience with other languages such as Scala, Kotlin, Python, or JavaScript and their respective web frameworks?

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

tored wrote: post #73
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your estimate for PHP's long-term viability? I'm asking, because it was the hobbyists and kids who got started in PHP mucking around in their everyday white-label cPanel/Plesk-based web-hosting accounts in the very early 2000s that really gave PHP the mindshare of enthusiastic users and thus its staying power. But it's 2021 now: all the kids are getting started with NodeJS for server-side web-applications, not…

PHP bigwigs just announced the PHP Foundation to secure PHP’s future. Announcement https://blog.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/2021/11/the-php-foundati... PHP Foundation https://opencollective.com/phpfoundation Accepts donations to help the development of PHP.

I don't think that's a good sign.

The community's complaints with PHP are far more concerned with technical matters relating to the language, runtime and libraries than how Zend etc have handled the usual issues in politics and project governorship. I don't think PHP has ever had a brouhaha anything like what happens in Java's JCP or the Oracle sale. Other platforms (like .NET) have their own foundations but they aren't taking seriously by the community because we all know the commercial companies that back the tooling are the ones that really matter.

...so what's the real reason for PHP suddenly switching to a Foundation-supported model? And why couldn't they entrust PHP with an existing and well-regarded foundation like Apache or FSF?

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by rbanffy »

Implicated wrote: post #76
the_gipsy wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a proper type system you don’t need to run your code 50 times a minute.

As someone who isn't perfect, it's nice to be able to quickly iterate on ideas.

You still can. It’ll just stop you before you get to a running web application that may be doing something wrong with the data that goes through it.

Re: PHP 8.1.0

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Post by rbanffy »

goalieca wrote: post #72
firefoxd wrote: post #30

I've been using PHP since 5.x. Often had to work on older 4.x web apps. I find it interesting when I read people saying "PHP has come a long way. It's a proper language now, etc." If you work long enough with a language and figure out most its quirks, it's a breeze. It's nice that they are adding all these new features, but they are hardly what makes it or break it for me. Here is the one features that is taken for g…

Once you throw that stuff in K8s, you’re back to 10seconds.

Do you debug your apps in a K8s environment? Why?
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